A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:
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Ron Natalie wrote:

A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:


No clearance is required.


For Class C airspace, 2-way communication is the clearance into
that airspace. No, ATC doesn't ahve to 'clear' you into it, but the
communication is the clearance as is.


No clearance is required. Do you know what CLEARANCE means?


I never said that they will *CLEAR* you into Class C airspace;
but that the 2-way communication *IS* the clearance. Class B is another
story.

Again I state, you don't seem to understand what a clearance is.
No clearance is required and none is given in a class C. 2 Way
communication is NEVER a clearance.


There's your clearance through/into Class C. Not that ATC will
*CLEAR* you, but if they respond to your call, and that Approach
controller is operating Class C airspace, their call back to you *IS*
your clearance into or through that Class C airspace. Yes, They will
have you at Radar contact after you squawk the xpdr setting, but that
doesn't require any readback. But you asked about clearance, so there
you have it.

No readbacks here are required at all and no clearance is involved.
of BLD, cleared into
Class Bravo Airspace, maintain VFR at or below 8500, Las Vegas
altimeter xx.xx

You then are cleared into Class B.

Read the documents yourself, if you don't believe me. Better
yet, call the ATC when they chastise you for not reading back anything that
tells you to remain outside of a given airspace for a reason.

I have read the documents, I know what they say. RADAR CONTACT and all
that ather crap, readbacks, and 90% of your other assertions have
nothing to do with authorization to operate in any airspace. The
only restriction is two way comms for class C and D and a clearance
for B. The rest, while it is frequently coincident with operation in
these airspaces are NOT PART OF ANY ATC OR PILOT REQUIREMENT.