The answer is again simple and goes to recognition.
A stall with wing drop is just that and provided action
is taken to solve that problem, unstall the wing, the
a spin will be prevented. A spin is the result of failure
at the first step for whatever reason. Everyone properly
trained will know the difference.

I would suggest that if you get to the point of a fully
developed spin on the final turn the chances of recovery
before the ground gets in the way are very remote,
unless you final turn above 600 feet that is, so you
better recognise and deal with that stall\wing drop.

I have thought about this and decided that if I ever
get to the point where I do get to a fully developed
spin at final turn height I am going to spin in, rather
that than tent peg half way through the recovery. My
philosophy teaches recognition of the approach of the
problem so it can be prevented and this is still not
given sufficient emphasis in training. Yes train people
to recover from fully developed spins but if you do
the job right and train so that they recognise the
approach and take the correct preventative action they
will never need to recover from a spin.

Now here's a question. Given the answer above why when
the wing drops at the start of a take off run (winch
or aero-tow) does everyone almost without exception
try and lift the downgoing wing with aileron?


At 20:42 23 June 2005, Ian Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:18:58 UTC, Don Johnstone
wrote:

The answer is simple: Stall with a wing drop the first
action is to reduce the AoA, move the stick forward
to unstall the wing.
The action for a spin is: opposite rudder (to stop
the yaw/rotation) and then move the stick progressively
forward to unstall the wing. The recovery from there
is the same.

Of course. But how far does the wing have to drop -
how much does the
glider have to roll at the stall - before you take
spin recovery
action rather than stall with wing drop recovery action?

In real life, on the final turn, you have approximately
0.3 seconds to
answer this question ...

ian