"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Dave S wrote:
It IS possible for an instructor to give dual instruction without logging
(or being) PIC.

Further, the pilot can log PIC even if the instructor is PIC (as
long as he is the sole manipulator of an aircraft for which he
is rated).

Further, the instructor can log PIC time while giving instruction
regardless of who is actually the PIC.

Really? Surely you can only have one PIC?

Perhaps it's different over here (UK), but if an instructor and a student
are flying in conditions that fit the student's current licence entitlement,
then as I see it, _either_ the student can log PIC _or_ the instructor can,
but not both. If the conditions exceed that of the student's licence (e.g.
you're in IMC under tuition for your instrument rating) then the instructor
would be PIC and the student "pilot undergoing tuition"). The only situation
I can think of where you could both "almost" be PIC is when you're having a
practical examination, at which point the examiner is P1 and the student "P1
under supervision".

Though I'm sure someone will find a hole in my logic :-)

D.