ArtP wrote:

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:17:04 -0800, wrote:

I would climb to 3000 then I would do the turn. If they wanted you to
turn before you reached 3000 they would have specified a climbing turn
or do what they did below (specify an altitude straight ahead and then
a climbing turn). When they specify a climb altitude before the turn,
you are expected to be at that altitude before you start the turn.

That is wrong.

You are right. I looked at the plate again and the description
disagrees with the little symbols in the profile. The descriptions has
an "and" in it while the symbols show two separate operations. In
other plates (RWI VOR/DME 22) a climb and an interception is shown in
a single symbol rather than two separate ones.

I've got both the Jepp and NACO charts for these two IAPs in hand. The
problem is that you were sandbagged by incorrect NACO symbology. Jeppesen
has the symbology correct: Jepp shows an arrow to 3000', then in the next
box it says 245 heading, then between that box and the next box the word
"and" flows across, and that next box says OCN 115.3 R-145. NACO, as you
know, leads you down the primrose path.

Having said that, the symbols are subserviant to the written missed approach
text. The text is regulatory; the symbols are not. The chart makers have to
interpret the text to draft the symbology.

Moral to the story: understand the text first and foremost, then reconcile it
with the briefing symbology. If they agree, the symbology is then adequate
to use during the "heat of the battle," in lieu of the text.