On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:19:12 GMT, "John Clonts"
wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message ...

So, to try to clear this up, can I go into a more specific example?

I'm looking at the Dallas Eight Departure. For argument's sake, let's
assume that my route will take me to the Little Rock VOR. What I
don't understand is how I get from TKI (shown on the DALL8.TTT
departure) to the Little Rock Transition.

Once again, I'm probably making this difficult because I'm thinking in
terms of an approach plate, but other than just seeing that the NOBLY
intersection is the closest to TKI on that transition, what is the
method by which I would decide how to get to that point?


First you have to start with the notes. (I only
Dallas 8: "For jets requesting FL180 and above".
Garland 2: "For jets requesting FL 170 and below"
Hubbard 5: "For props requesting FL 230 and below"

So you'll probably be getting Hubbard 5. (This was the type of information that was very nicely summarized and
graphically depicted on that website I mentioned but is now out of service).

When you're going to fly it, you start at the TOP of the textual description: "When entering controlled
airspace, fly assigned heading and altitude to appropriate route". The heading and altitude will be given to
you by the time you are released.

Departure may give you vectors and/or clear you direct NOBLY or ECKEY, etc.

Additionally, what would me clearance look like?

Lets say you filed KTKI-MONTE-V124-BEGAN-KLIT. (I got this straight from the duats auto-routing).

Clearance Delivery: "N123 cleared to Little Rock via Hubbard 5, Paris Transition, then as filed, climb and
maintain 3000 expect 5000 after 10 minutes, Dep Freq x.xxx, squawk yyyy". (I'm not a controller but thats the
jist of it). Note this overrides your MONTE flight plan, but once to PRX VOR you're "as filed".

Tower: "N123 fly runway heading cleared for takeoff runway 17"
Tower: "N123 contact departure"

Departu "N123 radar contact turn left 100 intercept Maverick 064 , climb and maintain 9000". Or if you're
/G maybe they will say "N123 radar contact cleared direct ECKEY etc"


I know I'm really revealing my ignorance here, but I don't like not
knowing how this really should work. I might be able to fudge my way
through it again, but that's not as enjoyable as really knowing the
system.


Like everything else, with practice it gets a lot easier!

(P.S. There seems to be a charting error on the NACO Dallas 8. The airport is depicted quite south of NOBLY.
As an exercise you might want to locate the appropriate e-mail address and notify NACO of the error-- I have
found them very responsive to such!)

Goodness, where do I mail my payment!

This is the kind of info that I never got during training. Sure, I
can shoot an approach to minimums no problem, but this was the type of
thing that made me shy from filing.

I appreciate you taking the time to walk me through this a bit. I
suppose I'll spend some time listening to ATC at TKI on a rainy, IMC
day while I clean out the inside of the plane. Sounds like that could
be educational as well.

Thanks again. I'll be back with more questions, and hope to answer a
few along the way as well.

Bill
www.adventurepilot.com