GS wrote:
Roy Smith wrote:
GS wrote:
No, I didn't say that. What I said (or at least meant by "non-event")
was that it's not an emergency. Emergencies require immediate action.
Abnormal situations like electrical failures in benign conditions
require assessing the situation calmly and taking the time to come up
with a plan which minimizes the risks.

ok, we're saying the same thing just implying and inferring the
wrong thing. BTW, on my Archer checklist an Electrical
failure is listed under "Emergency Checklists." I would say
that an electrical failure requires *immediate* action. That
action doesn't necessarily mean an emergency descent to landing
Ok, enough. We're thinking the same thing.

Busting the ADIZ is more than just a technical violation, it's an
action which involves real, physical, risks. You're going to end up
flying close formation with high performance aircraft with whom you
cannot communicate. How much training do you have performing that
maneuver?

Not much. I wonder how much training they have intercepting an Archer
in slow flight with the stall horn going off at 52 knots, I wonder what
they would do. ;-)

My guess is they would interpret it as a deliberate attempt to avoid
being intercepted and be very unhappy about that. These are not
people to be playing games with. As long as can keep them convinced
that you're just an idiot who's lost, they'll watch and wait. But, if
somehow you manage to convince them that you really are a threat,
things might change. Remember that emotionally disturbed man just a
couple of weeks ago who got shot dead by air marshals?

I suspect the pair of F-16's would take up an overhead holding pattern
while the blackhask helicopters moved in for close escort and followed
you to wherever you land, at which point you would be met by large
numbers of armed people in uniform, and with absolutely no sense of
humor about stuff like this. Personally, I've never been forced to
lay face down on the runway while humorless men pointed automatic
weapons at my head. I've never had my certificate revoked either.
Both of those are experiences I think I'd rather avoid. But that's
just me.

There are examples of such intercepts which have resulted
in mid-airs. There was one a few years back off the NJ coast which
resulted in the airliner's crew performing a panic dive in response to
multiple TCAS RA's, causing serious injury to people in the cabin.

what year was this? Do you have a report? I'm just wondering
about this as I never heard of it. I heard of a a military jet flying
out of I think virigina getting vectored near a commercial jet causing
a near miss. I don't recall any injuries from that though.

I searched the NTSB data base, but can't find it. I do remember that
it was a botched airspace handoff between McGuire approch and either
New York Approch or New York Center. McGuire thought they still owned
the airspace for a training exercise, and New York thought it had been
handed back to them.