On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:58:36 -0400, David Rind
wrote:

If an approach has a hold in lieu of a PT, but the chart says
"No PT", is the hold optional, or is it only available with ATC
authorization the way a PT would be in this situation?

I was looking at the ILS 2 approach into EEN, and there is a
segment at 4000' from an IAF at the GDM VOR marked No PT.
The intercept altitude for the ILS is 2600', which is a fairly
quick descent along the localizer (though certainly doable).
If you wanted to take a turn around the hold to descend, do
you need ATC authorization the way you would for a PT? I can't
tell from the wording in the AIM though perhaps I'm missing the
place where it is spelled out.

If you are on a segment that is marked NoPT, the hold can only be executed
with permission from ATC.

It's pretty clear in AIM 5-4-8 b.3.

======================
When a holding pattern replaces a procedure turn, the holding pattern must
be followed, *except* when RADAR VECTORING is provided or when NoPT is
shown on the approach course.
====================
(emphasis mine).


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)