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"Tim Mara" wrote:

I'd let the memories fade....I've flown the SF34 it was Schiebes attempt at
getting into the K21 Grob Twin market... IMHO it's just not a terrific
glider..in many ways it's like comparing the K13 to the Bergfalkes....some
of our German friends might help us out here but I've heard them explain it
like this, The K13's (and most K gliders) Fly like you feel.....the Schiebe
Gliders...."do things in the air".......
Construction is fair to not so fair....design is just missing something,
crude by current standards, it's essentially a 15 meter glass two
seater..Performance is probably a tad better than the K13's but don't expect
much over 30-1 regardless of the brochures...
tim
Wings & Wheels
www.wingsandwheels.com



Others have told me the same thing about Schiebe gliders, that they just
don't handle that well. However, I've heard that the SF-25 is not bad.
My memory of the SF-34 was that it was somewhat rudimentary compared to
the Grob or ASK-21. My admittedly imperfect memory of the control feel,
was that it handled somewhat like a 2 seat 1-26, if that makes any
sense. I seem to remember that I liked the handling better than the
Grob. I definitely remember that my fingers got pinched against the
cockpit side when I actuated the divebrakes. I also remember quite well
that it would spin fairly easily, but would also recover easily.

About 30:1 is what I would expect considering the usual relationship
between claimed and actual performance.


It's hard to find any decent 2 seaters in the U.S. right now. Even tired
old L-13's are hard to come by at a reasonable price. The PW-6 looks
like a good trainer, but with the dollar weak, even that is too
expensive. Howsabout talking HPH into building a 2 seat equivalent to
the 304c?

Speaking of Glasflugels: What ever happened to that 2 place side-by-side
Glasflugel design?