"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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I've never seen this discussed in any book on aerodynamics
that I've ever read. Do you have even one credible reference
to support your claims?

No, do I need a credible reference?

Either that or a credible argument.

You keep insisting that a stalled wing (without a stalled tail) could not
produce a nose-down pitch at the stall onset, even though several of us have
explained how it could do so (by changing the direction of the relative
wind) and even though you haven't pointed out any flaw in that explanation.

And you keep insisting that a normally executed stall on a typical GA plane
can stall the tail before stalling the wing, even though Todd explained that
a stalled tail would produce an outside loop (if you were to keep the yoke
pulled back), and even though you haven't pointed out any flaw in that
explanation. (In fact, what happens in, say, a 172 with the yoke kept back
is just that the stall persists, because the tail sustains the wings' high
angle of attack--which couldn't happen if the tail were stalled as you
claim.)

--Gary