Are you aware that Palo Alto has an obstacle departure procedure (ODP)?
It goes to San Jose VOR off both runways.

But, you normally received vectors out over the bay because of the
critical proximity of Palo Alto to San Francisco International, San Jose,
Oakland, and Hayward Airports.

Radar vectors are often provided at busy radar terminal areas instead of
using ODPs.

There would be no useful purpose for a SID (different than an ODP) out of
Palo Alto because of the nature of the airspace.

Dave Jacobowitz wrote:

I fly out of Palo Alto, CA, and I have never heard an IFR clearance
read over ground whose route section did not start "when able, right
turn to 060 with 1 mi of the airport, radar vectors san jose, v334
sunol ..." My clearance starts out this way whether I file a flight
plan to the east, north, or south. (I haven't flown to Hawaii yet, so
can't say what I'd get going west. ) It also does not matter if I
file /G or /A.

This is pretty much what you get out of PAO if you fly a spamcam.
(It's possible that more capable aircraft get something else.)

In any case it seems that if a certain departure clearance is
frequently used, that would be the circumstances under whch someone
would say "let's publish a DP!"

So, why wouldn't someone publish a DP? Does it cost the gov't extra
money? Does a published DP have to meet higher requirements than a
hand-rolled departure clearance?

Just curious.

If they do create one, I want to name it. "Stinky Garbage one, San
Jose transition" (STINK.SJC)

-- dave j
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