On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:06:37 -0500, Peter Clark
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:28:06 GMT, Larry Dighera
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:59:19 -0500, Peter Clark
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Perhaps you are able to provide some examples of non-military aircraft
that are exempt from the speed limit below 10,000'.

747, 777, etc at MGTW.

What is the recommended speed for those aircraft on departure below
10,000'?

I don't have a number off the top of my head, but about 280-285KIAS
clean at MGTW rings a bell. They won't exceed 250KIAS unless heavy
enough that their maneuvering margin requires it.

Fair enough.

So the numbers you cite indicate an ~11% speed increase by airliners
over that prescribed by 91.117 (250 knots), unlike the ~43% (441 KCAS)
mentioned in the F-16's AIB report. That works out to the F-16
exceeding the 250 knot airspeed limit by about four times more than
what the airliners do.

Given those numbers, I'm inclined to believe that the speeds at which
the military routinely operates on MTRs is considerably more
significant (by about a factor of four) than that at which airliners
operate in terminal airspace under positive control and separated from
all other aircraft by ATC in Class B airspace.

MTR flights are not provided radar services by ATC in most instances,
because FAA radars do not provide coverage at near ground level out in
the desert where most MTRs are located.

Thanks for the data point.