"C J Campbell" wrote

Well, holds are a little more common than that. However, they are not as
common as they used to be. I miss them, in an odd sort of way. Some
departures also have holds in them for climbing to cruise altitude. IIRC
Missoula has one of these. Sometimes you also are given holding
instructions
when you receive your departure clearance at a non-towered airport.

C J, I know you are a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy, but please
reconsider whether you want to be on the list of people that respond to MX.
He is among the ungrateful swine, and is not worthy of your knowledge. His
continued presence is not a "good thing" and your responses only prolongs
this.

Thanks for your reconsideration;
--
Jim in NC