Mxsmanic wrote:
John Theune writes:

You must have incredible vision to see the color of a pilots eyes from
more then 1/2 mile away. The upwind leg is on the opposite side of the
runway from the downwind at the same distance from the runway as the
downwind leg.

No, it is not. The upwind leg is aligned with the runway; it includes the
final and departure legs of the pattern (some people consider that it includes
only departure), and the runway itself. If you're on the upwind leg, you're
either landing or departing traffic, or you're about to collide with one of
these.

There is no leg on the opposite side of the runway. You're not supposed to be
on the opposite side of the runway. That's why patterns are designated left
or right.

An upwind join means that you are flying right into departing traffic.

You of course knew this because you had read about
traffic patterns and spend 30 seconds googling the term upwind traffic
pattern.

_Someone_ needs to read a bit more, that's for sure. At least I can't kill
anyone in a simulator.

What are your references for this information. Here are two that I just
dug off the net

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../57-38/Ch3.htm

EPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
HEADQUARTERS AND HEADQUARTERS COMPANY
1ST BATTALION (AIRBORNE, 507TH PARACHUTE INFANTRY REGIMENT
FORT BENNING, GEORGIA 31905

ATSH-TPP-HQ


071A0201

and Here's one you should really appreciate

http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/glossary.htm