Not for real pilots.

It's been demonstrated again you are in error. You exhibit quite a
high noise to signal ratio.


On Feb 15, 10:07 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
John Theune writes:
What are your references for this information.

I googled for it.

However, after doing a search in all the FAA documents I have on hand, I found
_two_ definitions: one is a parallel course to the runway on the opposite side
of the downwind, and the other is the course over the runway itself, including
final and departure. The diagrams of traffic patterns in most of these
documents make no mention of an upwind leg.

So there does not appear to be a single definition for the term, unlike most
of the other terms referring to a traffic pattern.

One thing that is clear, whichever definition you prefer, is that you run an
excellent chance of running into someone if you enter the crosswind leg, be it
from a parallel upwind leg, or from the congruent upwind leg, or from anywhere
else that brings you across the runway centerline. I did find one page that
talked about an upwind entry into the crosswind, and it argued that if you are
at pattern altitude, you aren't likely to meet other traffic, but that seems
like an extraordinarily dangerous assumption given the variability of climb
rates, runway lengths, departure points on the runway, and so on. It's even
more dangerous if someone decides to go around.

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