Ron Garret wrote:
In article ,
Tim wrote:


If you don't know you shouldn;t be filing IFR. Period. You can get
someone (including yourself killed.)

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I know the answer.


Then what is it? And please note that the question is not what do you
do by the book. The question is what do you do in the real world.

(Actually it turns out that there are some interesting subtleties
involved in figuring out what to do in this case even by the book.)


Spoon feeding pilots who are dangerous and ignorant is a sure way to
disaster.


I would think that allowing ignorant pilots to remain ignorant would be
a much surer route to disaster.

For the record, the weather was VFR the whole way (and I knew it) so I
was a good deal more casual about it than I would have been if it had
been IMC the whole way. (I also strongly suspect that if it had been
IMC the whole way I would not have received a direct clearance. I've
flown that route a zillion times and it's never happened before.)

rg

I am not sure how to answer this if you don't want to believe that you
are expected to do what it says in part 91. If you want to make up your
own stuff or do things other people do in the "real world" then go ahead.

As an aside - the whole atc "you are x miles from x, maintain x thousand
feet until established - cleared ILS x at x." was put into place because
in the "real world" people (including atp pilots) were not flying "by
the book" but flying in "the real world." You can find that crash that
killed lots of people if you like. Flying in the real world can kill
you. Go ahead and ignore the regs. I just hope the next time I am IFR
in IMC and some cowboy who lost comms does not come flying into me
because he decided to "vector himself" to an approach when he should
have been following the rules.

Most likely ATC is going to shut down a bunch of airspace if they lose
comms with someone. Unfortunately they appear to be justified in doing
that because of the ignorance and insistence of the stuff in this thread.

I don't make stuff up when I fly an IFR plan. It doesn't lend itself to
staying alive.