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http://gazeta.ru/lenta.shtml?274014#274014 (in russian)

Aug 25, 7:40

commander-in-chief of Russian NAVY admiral Kuroedov told
press that forces of russian pacific ocean fleet have
detected in Saturday and also today foreign submarines
in the area near Kamchatka where large scale manoeuvres of our
fleet are carried out. "We are fully in control of this
situation and prepared to interact with our foreign
"observers" in this way as well. Perhaps those subs
came instead of observers who were invited but did not
came from some countries", he said //Interfax

Yesterday there were news reports that two Tu-160s arrived
to Vladivostok to carry out missions in "long distant ocean
zone". Tu-160s never operated in Pacific Ocean area.


Probably could make this statement 360 days out of the year and it
would be true, no need to actually 'detect' them, they are there.

Deployment of Tu-160s reminds me of the chapter in one of the "We
Joined the Navy" books in which the aviators each get up and recite
their search plan with no sightings. One junior type actually saw a
submarine and is the hit of the debrief.

What are Tu-160s like at low altitude? Good gas mileage, as we used to
say? Fine observation areas, the esplanade deck with its floor to
ceiling glass and comfortable observation points? Get real, 600 knots
is not going to see anything unless the thing wants to be seen. These
are submarines, not submersible boats.

Where did you get an idea that Tu-160 were going to be used for subs
detection or on the low altitude? Do you have anything to say on the
subject? If the answer is decisive "no", why did you bother writing?

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/87/...123_fleet.html

Well then, maybe you can explain what they are doing ?

Why should I?

"Yesterday there were news reports that two Tu-160s arrived
to Vladivostok to carry out missions in "long distant ocean
zone". Tu-160s never operated in Pacific Ocean area."

The poster juxapositioned the two statements, I didn't. Maybe they are
looking for nice U.S. Navy escort by F-14s or trying to find an
American aircraft carrier?

The following information is based on articles in Nezavisimaya Gazeta
and other Moscow papers May 23-25.

"On May 15, TU-95 and TU-160 strategic bombers and TU-22 long-range
bombers accomplished military training over the Polar and Pacific
oceans. All the bombers had a full battle load: Each T-95 carried 6
X-55 missiles, each TU-160 12 missiles. The X-55 usually is equipped
with a 200-kiloton nuclear warhead. All the bombers simulated hitting
important U.S and U.K. targets."

Not a single word about hunting submarines or carrying out low-altitude missions.

This is what Russians consider "refuting the argument". Mikhail
volunteered a statement about finding a "foreign" submarine somewhere
that the Pacific Ocean Fleet could find and announce. The he added a
statement about Tu-160s going to Valdivostok. Then stated that
Tu-160s had never operated in the Pacific Ocean area. Those sound like
connected statements, please demonstrate the disconnect between the
three statements or stop whining about your meager ration of strategic
aviation. One, two of the total Tu-160s are off to visit Grandma.
Whooee folks aint them Rooshians the limit?