ArtKramr wrote:

Subject: P-47/51 deflection shots into the belly of the German
tanks,reality
From: Guy Alcala

I'll stick with the evidence that actually exists, gathered on the
ground.

Guy


Yes by ground personell (infantry, artillery) who had an agenda in down playing
the effectiveness of air attack. I can either believe you or my own lying eyes.

And the air force commanders were disinterested spectators who didn't have an
agenda in claiming increased effectiveness for air attack? While we're on the
subject of your eyes, please tell us the recognition features that distinguish
between a PzKw IV, a Marder II, a Nashorn, a Wespe, an SPW 251/1, and an SdKfz
234. Once you've done that, tell us at what range each of these features becomes
distinguishable, under combat conditions.

Given the large number of attacks by allied a/c on allied ground vehicles and
aircraft, are you seriously claiming that the average allied airman was able to
tell the difference between the various flavors of German AFVs from the air (even
assuming they knew them, which is unlikely), when they were sometimes unable to
tell the difference between say, the distinctive M4 Sherman and _any_ German
armored vehicle? This is a trivial exercise for someone who is on the ground
nearby and isn't being shot at, but rather more difficult from several hundred or
thousand yards away while having to fly and avoid being shot down or crashing into
the ground. Hell, ground combat troops were unable to make these distinctions - to
virtually any U.S. or British ground troops, every German tank was a Tiger, every
artillery piece an 88. If that had been true it certainly would have surprised
Albert Speer, as the production figures show that these types made up small
fractions of the total tank and artillery production.

Guy