On Jun 15, 4:58?pm, Walt wrote:
On Jun 15, 2:55?am, BlackBeard wrote:





On Jun 14, 10:43 pm, Rob Arndt wrote:

Even stray fire that misses the troops or pilots, but hits a critical
flight system will probably send the Osprey right into the ground.

And this is different from any other aircraft how?

Transitional flight in a combat zone is gonna be a bitch anyway,

As in any troop carrying helicopter...

but

since Iraq is so large, just the regular flight in transit to the
target area or base will expose the rotorcraft to small arms and RPG
fire at low altitude.

Why fly low, it has a higher ceiling than the helo it is meant to
replace, and has more counter-measures and survivability systems than
those helos. So it has a better chance of surviving if hit. If it is
flying low, compare the chances of hitting something going by at 170
knots versus 240+ knots with an RPG.

The escorts (still some form of a Cobra) can't operate where the V-22
operates.

It can't be efficiently escorted. It's the worst boondoggle ever
invented.

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Why is there any need to post all the inherent dangers of the V-22
when common sense tells us that transitional flight in a combat zone
is just begging to be shot down. That would not be so bad if it were
just pilots but each V-22 will have 24 troops. THAT is a disaster and
even the insurgents are waiting to shoot the first one down- you know,
they read the newspapers too and know it is coming! First one downed
will be a great propaganda victory and the thought of 24 mangled
bodies being dragged through some dirt road in Iraq is appalling.

You say that the German convetiplane Fa-269 and Weserflug P.1003 tilt-
rotor would not have worked for the Germans in WW2 in combat, so why
do you now think that the V-22 is any different? Technology doesn't
mean **** in a vunerable transitional flight machine. The Iraqi
insurgents will sit on the rooftops with AKs, AKMs, and RPGs to blast
the rotorcraft as soon as it slows to hover while in transition for
landing.

Higher up, it is a target for missiles and it cannot autorotate safely
if at all.

US troops are ****ed and the number 22 seems more unlucky than 13. We
have the highly dangerous V-22 and moneypit useless F/A-22 which will
never replace all the a/c it was intended to. 20 years from now the US
will still be fighting with a/c from the 70s-80s or older like the
B-52.

But then again theri will always eb flag-waving morons who will
believe in myths like:

- the Glock 17 is invisible to airport X-ray machines- its all plastic
and undetectable (it has a metal barrel, magazine, and other parts and
its silhouette is still totally visble to X-ray machines)
- the F-117 is invisible and will never be shot down (it was never
invisible and was shot down)
- the Apache is the world's premiere attach helo able to withstand any
firepower the Soviets/Russians can throw at it on the battlefield (I
guess they failed to test it with AKs and RPGs)
- the M-1 tank is the best in the world and is invincible (that's why
20 have been lost in ODS and OIF, with 2 taking missile shots up the
ass)
- when the Stryker arrives, it will kick ass (it was shot to **** and
removed to more secure locations)
- no one can touch the US, we are the lone Superpower (September 11,
2001)

- ad infinitum, ad nauseum

Rob
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