"Tom Cooper" wrote in message ...
"Quant" wrote in message
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On 13 Sep 2003 04:51:07 -0700, Quant wrote:
(Jack White) wrote
Not True.
The feeling in Israel in the evening of the six days war was that "we
are doomed, the Arabs are going to win this war and our fate will be
terrible".
thoughts of a second holocaust comes to mind...

Read the facts bellow before claiming that Israel was the aggressor.

Oh, of course, that was "completely new" to me....

Anyway, thanks for the exhaustive historical lesson about the backgrounds
of the Six Day War. Certainly badly needed


So, if you're already familiar with all the facts. How come that you
said that Israel was the aggressor on 1967?


Your wrote:
"
From what I remember, the Arabs were aggressors against Israel only
two times: in 1948 and 1973.
The Israelis, on the contrary, are more than well-known (actually
"famous") for their aggressive wars (1956, 1967, 1970, 1982 etc.,
etc.)
"


1. I think that the facts I brought show clearly an Arab aggression on
1967.
2. I think that they show clearly that Israel couldn't prevent the
war. The other choice of Israel, which was a "no choice", was to be
annihilated. How come you interpret a no choice war as an aggression?

I'm not persisting on this issue in order to "win the debate". If you
were right and I was wrong then I learned something new. But it's
important for me to fix the false impression (on my opinion) that you
created, saying that Israel was the aggressor on 1967 and the Arab
were not the aggressors.

I'll appreciate your answer to this specific point, in light of the
facts I posted.



- especially in the light of the
fact that what you posted is not the least changing the fact that Israel
committed far more aggressions against its "neighbours" plus simply ignored
every single related UN resolution so far then the Arabs will ever manage
(not that the Arabs are sheeps in the coral either, but that was the
point)....



I disagree with you, but for now it will be enough for me to show that
the only aggressors in 1967 were the Arabs.

If it's important to you, then we could check specifically war after
war, incident after incident. Maybe then and when looking on the wider
picture we could find arguments we both agree upon.


BTW, which time do we have? May 1967 or September 2003?


It is you who brought the 1967 matter into this thread, not me. For me
it's just important to correct your false claim (on my opinion)
regarding that war.


Has Egypt blocked
the Tyran Straits just few days back, or should it this time be the talk
about the Saudis eventually buying EF-2000s?

(I need these answers to understand the theat for Israel emerging from
eventual Saudi-British negotiations for Eurofighters, so thanks in advance
for an answer that will be similarly comprehensive as your last one)



1. If you try to insinuate that the blockade of the Tiran straits
wasn't a proper casus belly, or that the six days war wasn't a no
choice war for Israel, then look at what I wrote above.
2. If you are honestly trying to find out whether the "talk about the
Saudis eventually buying EF-2000s" will prompt Israel to open a war,
then the answer is no.
3. Saudi-British negotiations are not an existential threat for
Israel.
4. I don't have the capability to do an exact assessment of the threat
to Israel in case that Saudia or Egypt will buy Eurofighters. And this
is why I started this thread. To get more information.