"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:42:44 -0400, Peter Dohm wrote:

Obviously, or perhaps not, those who must give up their freedom
would need to be falsely schooled regarding their past

I'd imagine that there are alternatives to this. For example, the people
could be told "this time is different" and be convinced of it (perhaps by
threat of violence to which they'd become unaccustomed). This would also
fall into the scenario envisioned by Franklin in his "those that give
up..." comment.

- Andrew

At this point, there is mounting evidence that you are correct. I can only
hope that, a century from now, Machiavelli will be proved correct as well.

Peter