(Corey C. Jordan) wrote:
On 22 Sep 2003 02:27:51 GMT,
(JDupre5762) wrote:

Yes. Though anecdotal evidence suggests strongly
that George Welch was
probably the first pilot to break the sound
barrier there will probably never
be any way to prove it in the same way that
Yeager's flight was. Apparently
though some time ago the Air Force took to
qualifying Yeager's flight as the
first sustained supersonic flight in level
attitude.

John Dupre'

Indeed, the evidence is very strong. However,
the eggheads involved in the
XS-1 program were well aware that Welch did
it without running his recorders,
and had no intention of admitting it publically
due to clear instructions from
the Secretary of the Air Force not to steal
the XS-1s thunder.

After Blackburn's book was published and additional
material showed up on
the internet, the XS-1 and Yeager defenders
came out of their holes howling
like the Knights of Columbus did over the Sopranos.

"Lies, all lies!!!!"

"Show us the proof!", they demanded. So, we
showed them what we had (and we
have a lot, some of which I got from the Welch
family). "Not good enough!", they
cried. I mean, the evidence is compelling and
I would not want to be on trial
for my life in the face of such evidence. But,
if you understand the anal
thought process of the typical egghead, you'll
also understand that nothing will
be good enough. On the other hand, the USAF
quickly amended their claim for
Yeager to read; "in level flight". Clearly,
THEY realised that the evidence was
enough to throw great doubt on their 50 year-old
milestone. Better to redefine the accomplishment
rather than explain why they
buried Welch's forays in the weeks prior to
Yeager's first Mach 1 run.

I can't blame the USAF for covering up the event.
Most of their research budget
was invested in the XS-1, as well as their prestige.
God forbid that a
production prototype should push past Mach 1
first!

After Welch's first "supersonic" dive, NAA was
ordered to bolt the XP-86's
landing gear down for future test flights to
prevent a repeat. NAA went along
with that for a few days, but ultimately let
Welch fly it again with the gear up
with Kindleburger and Atwood's blessing.

After Yeager finally achieved the initial program
goal of Mach 1+, the USAF
allowed NAA to run a fully instrumented speed
run (November of 1947). Finally,
the XP-86 was officially established as being
Mach 1+ capable. Yet, to protect
their precious XS-1 program, the USAF delayed
announcing the accomplishement
until April of 1948, and never accurately stated
when the flight took place.

Nonetheless, Welch flew the same aircraft, unmodified
from the early October
flights and flew the same flight profile as
he did on October 1. So, the
question I have for the eggheads is this; knowing
that Welch had an aircraft
capable of Mach ; knowing that he had opportunity;
knowing he stated he was
going to do it. Knowing that it was witnessed
by hundreds on the ground; knowing
that Welch claimed he did it; knowing that he
was first to report seeing what
has become known as "Mach jump"; can they prove
that he did not exceed
Mach 1 on October 1, 1947?

Of course they can't. The volume of evidence
(that mentioned above being only a
very small fraction of what is known) is impressive
and impossible to ignore.

Wisely, Yeager has been silent on the topic
but, without a doubt would have done
exactly what Welch did had he been in the cockpit
of the XP-86. This is the
stuff guys like Yeager and Welch live for.

By the way, is anyone aware that Welch flew
several combat sorties in the F-86
in Korea (as a civilian). Like Lindbergh in
the SWPA, Welch was in theater
showing F-86 pilots the strengths of the F-86.
Family members state that Welch
shot down several Migs during his brief assignment.
However, unlike his Mach 1
adventures, there exists no evidence that this
is true beyond his logbook
entries. To my knowledge, no USAF pilots who
were there have substantiated
this.

My regards,

Widewing (C.C. Jordan)
http://www.worldwar2aviation.com
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Was this the same George Welch who flew a P-40 out of Halewia, Oahu on
the morning of 7 Dec 41, killing pair of Vals, a Kate and a Zero, before
being a P-38 ace in SWPA? IIRC he was KIFA in a F-100 in the mid 1950s.

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