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: : : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
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: : : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
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: : : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
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: : : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
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: : : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I
: have : the : : time.
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: : : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably
: mess : it up.
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: : : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
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: : : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
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: : : : :
: : : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
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: : : :
: : : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over
: fondness : for
: : : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
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: : : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: : causes.
: : : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: : than
: : : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
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: : : :
: : : : Note the lack of facts
: : : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : : He resorts to abuse
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: : : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
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: : : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and
: that
: : : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: : :
: : : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
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: : A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: : abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned,
: Vin.
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: : :
: : :
: : : Just keep reading the dates
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: : Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
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: : : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for
: : : themselves
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: : :
: : : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do
: with
: : : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG
: before.
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: : :
: : : My goodness what ignorance
: : :
: : : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: : Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: : ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly
: from : Germany etc.
: : : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of
: the : : English war effort against the Germans
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: : What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: : effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
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: : 1917?
: :
: : wow dates are a real problem for some
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: : The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: : all to do with Germany or WWI.
: :
: :
: : names and dates
: : When did England and decide to make the land grab?
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: :
: :Is this an open book exam? ...
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: See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
: began.
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: What a hoot
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: Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807
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: Rise to power
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
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: The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way civil
: war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian mercenaries.
: It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking control of Egypt
: in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his position. Thereafter,
: Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and his efforts henceforth
: were directed primarily to the maintenance of his practical independence.
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: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors
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Poor Vinnie. He failed to understand the last two words of his cite -
"practical independence", as different from "actual independence".
That means it was politically still part of the Ottoman Empire, said
Empire and everyone else having not recognized its political
independence.

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you still wrong.
Ali was a Khedive and his heirs had the position by hereditary right
That is not consistent with being "politically" part of the empire.

you are using 20th century language int he 19th century


Vince