"Daryl Hunt" wrote in message
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"John Carrier" wrote in message
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From the former operators whom I work with every day. A-7B 19,500
empty,
A-7E 21.500 empty. Typical bomb load off 27C was 8 or 10 Mk82
(depending
on
wind ... the cats were short). Otherwise 10-12 Mk82. Preferred was 4-6
Mk83 on the parent racks (no MERs/TERs with weight and drag), rare for
the
Navy in Viet Nam. Add 400# for two sidewinders (given the ACM
capability
of
the SLUF, they would have proven more effective mounted backwards).
Tanker
typically 2x300Gal drop + D704 = 6000+ lbs. It would appear that your
6K,
give or take, is the typical operational load.

None of those I talked with (two of with combat experience) thought a
field
T/O at max gross of 42K was practical unless the concrete was REAL long
and
the day was REAL cold. I don't think A-7D's were launching in SEA at
max
gross given the typical wx etc. The airplane was a real pig at 38K or
over.

There is always restrictions on Carrier AC that are not on concrete
jumpers.

Guys,
Daryl Hunt is also known as "Dead Meat". Do a search on google groups for
Daryl Hunt or Dead Meat and you'll see the type of nut job that you are
trying to debate with. Don't debate with him and let him get back to finding
his medication.

Some examples of his work:


"Groom lake still has a squadron of the YF-12s. I have no idea why they are
still there and why the get preflighted. I don't even know who actually
controls them. Yet, as of 1991, they were still there. The difference
between the A-12 and YF-12 was the mission. the A-12 was a ground attack
Nuclear Fast Attack (fast ain't even the word here) ....

Whereas, for about a decade, the SR had a mission until it was nuetralized
by a 3 stage SA
missile."

..........

"No, the FB-4 was in the 30s but the Air Force had three designated in
Incirlik Turkey as Strategic Bombers. The FB-111 was not quite online.
When it came online, the FB-4 no longer carried that designator. Are there
pictures of the FB-4 Nuke Carriers? No, they confiscated film frome the
cameras from anyone that anyone came within vision with. Would they be in
the Internet? I doubt it. It's like saying the original C-130 from 1953 is
in original condition as it claims at Wright Pat as it sits with a 1957
radome, 4 AC generators on the Engines and the Gun Mounts under the Carpet.
I remember it as a Spectre Gunship. Yup, history has a tendancy to be
rewritten. When some of us are long gone, there will be no more
recollection of any of this and history will be changed forever once again
with the passing of time."


.........(ON KAL007)


"Okay, since you can't do the story on this one, let me
hit you with the real story, youngster. Not the official one that was put
out to save the Soviet Militaries face and avoid a war. BTW, this happens
more than you will ever know.

The US keeps a geo sat above the Kamchuka Penninsula at
all times. We lost the Sat. During the lag time to get another one in
place, the US had to rely on Aircraft to bridge the gap. YOU, the Soviets
introduced a new 100k+ AM that could knock out the SR-71 so the SR could
only
do a side shoot in inernational waters. We were launching a RC-135 and a
EC-135 to get pictures at very close range. The RC was a Camera Ship
while the EC provided Cover from international Air Space. The EC
operated while the RC was making the camera run. Those two put your defense
fighters on edge. The EC would come in after a routine flight while the
RC came in with cooked engines from running in Mil Power for too long a
time.
The RC carried the same engines that a C-141 Carried so it was more than
just a bit overpowered by that days standards. Ever fly an AC right at Mach
running very close to Zero altitude? When speed and atlitude won't work,
you
bring lots of Gas with you. Fighters can only run for a few minutes at
this type of speed near sea level whereas the Tanker can run much longer.
This means the Tanker is relatively safe if you don't mind riding the
worlds most hairy Carny ride in the World. Heat Seekers can't touch it,
the EC keeps the Radar Missiles at bay and if you use your guns at that
speed, you will fly into your own bullets. A complete NDI of the RC plus
all 4 engine changeout on return was considered a routine mission. This
mission didn't last very long as a new Sat was readied and launched to
replace
the malfunctioned Sat. During this time, the KAL was shot down by an over
zealous pilot. Never did understand why since these types of games were
played
by both sides on a daily basis in that part of the world. Your T-95 Bear
was very good at it also. None of this was ever done "Officially" by
either side."



TJ