Mike Marron wrote in message . ..
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C,

Correct as far as the F-94C is concerned, but the F-94, in the A
guise, did see service in Korea.

Saab Draken, Saab
29,

The J29 did serve in combat; supported UN forces in Africa.

F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan,

Vulcan flew the "Black Bart" conventional attacks against the
Falklands.

Handley Page Victor,

Depends on how you look at it--the tanker version operated during the
Falklands conflict, IIRC.

Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91,

Maybe, but didn't the Portugese operate the G.91, and if so, did it
ever see action during their colonial conflict in Africa?

English Electric Lightning,

I believe the saudis used the Lightning against Yemenese elements?

Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15,

Well, the Flagon *did* kill a couple of KAL airliners...

Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet,

ISTR some African user might have used the Alpha Jet in ground attack?

Folland Gnat,

Nope, Gnats were even credited with sabre kills when used by Idia
against Pakistan in 65.

BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22,

Not sure about that--ISTR some use by the Libyans in Afica (Chad?)?

Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,

B-58 as a bomber, correct. But I do recall an account of its use with
a rec pod around Cuba during the missile crisis.

Tupolov Tu-16,

Nope, the Tu-16 has been used by the Egyptians, including missions in
Yemen IIRC.

North American B-45,

The B-45 was more often used in its rec guise than it ever was as a
light bomber, and in that role it did see use over Korea, not to
mention reported penetrations into Soviet airspce (flown by RAF crew
IIRC).

Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,
Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer,

Buccaneer flew combat missions during ODS.

Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,

Venom saw action in 56 Suez operation against Egypt.

McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire,

I believe vampire saw combat use by Rhodesia and South Africa.

Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen,

India, Israel, and (I think) El Salvadore all used the Ouragen in the
ground attack role during combat operations.

McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury,

What? Sea Fury was even credited with a kill over Korea IIRC, not to
mention use by the Cubans later.

Grumman F7F Tigercat,

Tigercat saw action in Korea.

Brooks


McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.