On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:20:57 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

You mean 800 to 1200. That range you used is from the same guy who did
the Afghan "body count" site, which had a tendency to take the largest
numbers, add them together, and not cross-check for multiple reports,
recording three to six times the number the *UN* got...

Nope, sorry, wrong again. Those numbers are from the Iraq Body Count
site (www.iraqbodycount.org), not started by Marc Herold.... he's only
one of a large number of people contributing to that site. The
methodology is reasonably robust, with a requirement that casualties
be substantiated by two separate organisations -- it's probably as
good as you're going to get under the circumstances -- and the numbers
are in line with an AP survey that looked at a smaller area of the
country. You really shouldn't believe everything _The Weekly
Standard_ writes. Although it's interesting to see what even they get
embarassed about.

And even at that, they're massively ahead of the normal amount killed
and maimed by the Hussein regime in a six month period.

And here we have the fallback excuse... even if the numbers _are_
accurate, Iraqis are better off now that Americans have only killed
7000 - 9000, and wounded 20,000, in six months. But even that's not
the case: a vicious psycopath he certainly was, and Iraq is better off
without him, but look at the Amnesty International reports for the
last few years. They're at
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index
America has managed perhaps 10 years of Saddam Hussein's killing in
the last 6 months.

Hell, even with your overly-high numbers, they're ahead of the game and
getting further ahead with each passing week.

Always interesting to hear from people willing to democratise to the
last dead Iraqi...


You still don't understand just how incredibly awful it was in Saddam's
Iraq, do you?

I perhaps have a better idea than you do: I've had to spend some time
in countries like that. But keep vapouring on about how unimportant
those deaths tolls a no doubt it makes you feel better.

Scott