On Dec 11, 6:17 am, "F. Baum" wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:59 pm, Jackal24 wrote:

I disagree. The safety pilot thing has already been mentioned. Instruction
of someone rated in the aircraft (maybe for a higher rating, maybe not) is
another. You are a CFII according to your post. When you were giving
instrument instruction, did you log it as PIC? Did your student?
That's a pretty common situation. If you meant really, really, really,
really generally, then ok.

The CFII was the other guy. I think we are blurring an important
distiction here because Robert posted that the Safety Pilot can log
the time that he is acting as PIC. This is correct, but he cannot log
PIC for the time he is not functioning as PIC.

I never said otherwise. However, to understand this discussion you
must mentally separate logging PIC from servings as PIC, the two are
the not same. The well understood method of both pilots logging PIC
(that the Chief Council approves of is)..
Guy #1 flys the plane. He logs PIC because he is the sole manipulator
of the controls (very, very clear in 61.51(e)(1)(i). This pilot is
under the hood.
Guy #2 serves as safety pilot and PIC. He logs PIC under 61.51(e)(1)
(iii) and doesn't touch the controls. Both log PIC.

This is the method the FAA suggests for both pilots to log PIC.

Another method is for one rated pilot to have his hand on the controls
(61.51(e)1(i)) and the other pilots (MEI) to provide instruction
(61.51(e)(3)). Both are suppose to log PIC.


Please note that logging PIC is regulatated by 61.51(e).

-Robert, CFII