On Dec 22, 9:05*pm, Ron Natalie wrote:

Boy oh boy, now talk about the stupidity of being cavalier with your
ticket. *Steve is a 100% correct, and you are dangerously wrong.
There are a number of guys who busted P areas, TFRs, and the DC
area airspace who were operating IFR. * Airspace is not transparent.
An IFR clearance is not authorization to fly willy nilly on the way
to your destination.

Airspace last I knew was defined was by A (which I will never see) B,
C, D, E (G is uncontrolled)

IFR meets ADIZ standards since you are squawking and talking. That is
the foundation for ADIZ. FRZ is a different issue, and generally that
is busted by VFR, not IFR flights THAT I HAVE SEEN.

Therefore all of the above are "transparent" as I said on an IFR
flight plan. Once I receive my clearance, I am cleared all the way
through unless otherwise dictated by ATC. Nothing calvier about what
I said.

Can't do much on pop up TFRs, but yes, you do need to be aware of them
as well as restricted areas especially for flight planning purposes.
And prohibited areas go in part with flight planning. You fly victor
highways to stay clear of them.

I have filed quite a few times GPS direct from KMBO to KOWB which
takes me directly over a restricted area. Fort Cambell folks are
fully aware of the area and will vector me around that area. If they
haven't and I see I am headed to it, I will ask if I am cleared
through it. One can be cleared through a restricted area by ATC.

I have flown several times up near Camp David (both normal and
expanded) and IFR, you get routed on the victor highways, no big deal,
and that area is not a factor even when expanded. ADIZ again, you are
on an IFR flight plan, you are all set and ADIZ is transparent.

You don't have to get request clearance into Bravo, You don't have to
initiate a call into Charlie or Delta airspace, that is done by
virtual of you being on the IFR flight plan on handoffs. Sounds like
transparent airspace to me.

Also MOA's if you get down to it are transparent since you can't fly
through them when they are hot on IFR, and ATC will let you know. And
MOA's only become a factor when you dont' file victor highways. For
me, I fly around MOA's all the time, staying below the floor between
KMBO and KEKY. I get GPS direct approved all the time. MAA is 7000,
if I need higher, I go victor highways. To date, I haven't needed
higher. No big deal, and again transparent insofar as me picking up
my clearance as I would have planned accordingly. 7000 is mine for
the 168NM and 6000 on the return unless dictated differently by ATC.

The only merit to your post is TFR's,

Flight planning takes care of the rest of the issues therefore there
is NOTHING dangerously wrong in my thoughts.

Allen