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On Jan 17, 11:59 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
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Not exactly -- it's critical to know that the 172 you practiced
spinning last weekend with Bob Grizlevators is no longer in the
utility category when you toss your FAA handbook collection in the
back seat and you may not recover from a spin -- ever.

You seem to be under the impression that a normal category airplane
being flown within it's weight and balance envelope can't be
recovered
from a spin?
Am I reading you correctly here?

--
Dudley Henriques

The 172 N Model I fly from time to time is only approved (and thus was
only tested) for spins when CG falls within the utility category.

They're all like that, but it's likely it was tested with a CG much
further aft than it's certified for.

Though it may be recovered from a spin when loaded within the normal
category range, it was not certificated that way. Which tells me there
is no assurance of recovery.

The Bonanzas (A36 and straight 35), though Utility category, are not
approved for spins.


Well, it's al besides the point. Most airplanes will easily recover from
an incipient spin easily enough. That's pretty much all you need to
know about them. You're not going to do spin training in them anyway and
you're only interest in their spin capability is their ability, on the
day, to recover reasonably easy from an incipient spin. There's no
reason an incipient spin should even get to the point of dropping a wing
if the pilot is sharp (disregarding VMC rolls in twins) Airplanes that
are not cetified for spins are usually , though not always, fairly
difficult to spin anyway.
The point of spin training isn't to get you out of a Jimmy Cagney type
spinning-out-of-control-and-I-never-told-her-I-loved-her-but-the-other-
mug-is-a-decent-guy-who-will-look-after-her-anyway-and -it's-a-far-far-
better-thing and all that kind of a moment anyway. It's about
recognitionand learnign how to control the airplane better.
But to the original point, a fully developed spin in a 172 of any
vintage, with four up and a bit of baggage, should recover form a spin
easily. in fact, it;s probably recover all by itself in less than one
turn. I'm not going to go out and try it, but I'd be very surprised if
it didn't. Same with most of the small tourers like Cherokees and such,
thugh the Cherokee will stay in a spin for much longer.