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On Jan 17, 4:34 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:40:35 -0800 (PST),
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Why is it that a PPL is obtainable without basic spin recovery
demonstration? What about inverted recoveries?
Spins are not allowed in the planes available for rent at the
airport from which I fly, probably because they are in two cases
more than sixty years old.
J-3s are actually kinda difficult to get to spin anyway. They'll do
it, but with two up they need a bit of coaxing. not great for
incipient spin training.
Best airplane for it ever was one of my old luscombes. I took the
washout out of the wing to make it go faster, which works, BTW. and
as a result, the airplane was , um, interesting to stall. It was
absolutely impossible to stall without a big wing drop. Doing a
falling leaf was like clog dancing. if you let it go at al it was on
it's back in no time. It was also a very early one with the more
difficult ground handling whic, in addition to the "Fun with Stalls"
habit earned it the name "the humiliater" It was considered an
excellent primer for homebuilts. Great airplnae and it's still
flying, though i think with a bit of washout now.
Bertie
The Silvaire was a joy to spin. Snappy little bird!
The best spin entry for the J3 is to start a 1g stall carrying just a
tad of power. then just before the stall break, acellerate it up and
in with back stick and a shot of power for the rudder. Then imm
ediately off the power, hard pro spin rudder and full back stick.
Fun for all involved :-))
Yeah, pretty much exactly as I did it. Not so good for teaching
incipient spins when it looks so difficult to get into one!
I can't remember how easy they were to provoke with say, a stepp turn,
but I can't imagine they'd be all that much more likely to depart form
one of those either. It was a lot better solo form the rear seat,
though.
Bertie
Yeah. I always flew the J3 from the back as well. In fact, the one we
had available was back seat solo only. Talk about fun....I flew that
damn thing all the way down the East Coast one spring when I had a month
off to myself. Most of the way I was several hundred yards off shore.
The weather was warm and I had the upper panel open most of the trip.
Every now and then I would throttle back to idle and try shouting at
people down below. I saw them shout back but to tell you the truth I
never heard a word they were saying :-)
Ended up at Key West, stayed several days, island hopped a bit then flew
it home again.
One of the best aviation experiences I ever had really. It's funny when
you stop to think about it. Of all the fancy airplanes that crossed my
path in life, that little J3 and that trip down the coast would be right
up there at the top of the heap for just plain fun with an airplane.

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Dudley Henriques

Sounds like fun! Makes me wonder if being a banner tower would be so
bad?? Hours of slow flight along the beach?

After reading Rinker buck's "Flight of Passage" all I wanted to do was
replicate that flight.

Flying Pittsburgh to Phoenix in an A36 in 10 hours wasn't the same....

Dan
Back in the (old days a lot of new commercial pilots tried the banner
towing game. It seemed the banner outfits were always looking for new
pilots. (Something in that somewhere for smart people I think :-)

I never did any towing, but a lot of those who did informed me that they
learned fairly fast that it wasn't the easiest game in town. Many of the
airplanes being used were VERY old. One outfit down in Atlantic City
were using old Navy N3N's and towing with these crates meant that much
of the time you were riding the ragged edge on the left side of the
envelope.
It was good work for the learning involved and great training for those
who did it.


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Dudley Henriques