Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Ricky wrote:
I was watching the 50-something spins done in a 152 on youtube
and it got me thinking;

I seem to remember being taught during commercial training that
spins do not greatly increase G forces on the airplane, is this
true?

I also remember being warned "no spin is exactly the same or
predictable, so DON'T do them solo! Was this just a warning from
my school so we wouldn't screw up their gyros or are spins indeed
possibly very dangerous inherently for some reason?

I would like to try some solo next time I'm up just for fun but
may take a willing CFI along (or fellow pilot) just in case.

Would 50-something spins compromise a Cessna 150 or 152's
structure?

Another thing I'd be concerned about was getting overly dizzy
beyond
a
handful of spins.

Ricky
Hi Rick;

I'm not trying to be confrontational here but I notice you are a
commercial pilot. I can't for the life of me rectify why you don't
know
the answers to the questions you are asking here. I find it
incredulous
that a commercial pilot could go through the process, then pass
the flight test and not know these answers.


Modern life!

To be fair, I wouldn't have known much about structures and G
limits when I got my commercial either. There's certainly nothing
presented in the syllabus that could be described as anything more
than rudimentary. The current trend is to tell pilots less and less
about how the airplanes they fly are put together. The last type
rating I did was just appalling.


Bertie
Again, I don't mean to be picking on the OP who innocently asked
what I'm sure he believes to be pertinent questions. My puzzlement
is more directed at the system that trained this pilot.

Likewise.

A commercial pilot who has to ask if a spin greatly increases the g
forces on an airplane?


Well, to be fair, it varies a bit

A commercial pilot who has to ask if spins are inherently dangerous?

Things CAN'T be THIS bad....or ARE they!!!!!!


Have been in some quarters for some time.. Most of the kids coming up
as FOs at my place have either never spun or have only seen them
demonstrated. Because of the other thread on it, I was talking with
my FO abou tit over dinner, and he told me that he had only had been
shown them oncece and that they had done three turns in a 172, but he
thought that the airplane must have been spiraling for the last few
turns. I told him that 172s are hard to get to go around more than
about a half a turn. He said that he queried it at the time, but was
assured by the instructor (at a big school that specialises in
training airline piots) that they were definitely spins..


Bertie

I think my main concern isn't that formal instruction on spins is
missing, but rather that whoever trained this pilot apparently never
even engaged his student in a basic conversation more or less an
instructional period concerning the most general nature of the spin
environment.
It's inconceivable to me that I would send ANY applicant up for a
commercial flight test that I hadn't at least satisfied myself on the
fact that the pilot I was recommending had at least some basic
understanding about spins even though I knew the applicant wouldn't be
required to do spins.
I must be getting old or something. :-)))

Well, like I said, this stuff has been happening since I've been flying.
I suppose the only consolation is that they're harder to spin thse days.
One of the guys in my club didn't kow how to slip, never mind spin..


Bertie