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**Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]** · February 15th 08, 09:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Feb 16, 9:52Â*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote
innews:b3a149c7-a9b9-4be1-b6fe-b9450
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On Feb 16, 4:14Â*am, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 02/15/08 01:53, WingFlaps wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:19ï¿½am, Gig 601XL Builder wrgiac...@REMOVEgmail.
com

wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for
VFR fligh
t.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Cheers

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Certainly. Vne is a limit that must not be exceeded (there are
others). This sets a limit on how fast you can legally descend
(remember pilots must fly within operating limits). You must
also not use ascent or descent rate that put you in conflict
with ATC unless you have got clearance. When NORDO you cannot
ascend or descend into controlled space except as part of a
flight plan.

What? You believe that an aircraft with no radio is not allowed to
enter controlled airspace without being on a flight plan?

Can you please provide a reference to that regulation?

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or below 500' must be zero or negative except at an aerodrome or
within a LFZ. You can probably now see other examples. Pilots
should think outside the box ;-)

An towered airport is controlled airspace so:

Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may
operate an aircraft to, from, through, or on an airport having an
operational control tower unless two-way radio communications are
maintained between that aircraft and the control tower.
Communications must be established prior to 4 nautical miles from
the airport, up to and including 2,500 feet AGL. However, if the
aircraft radio fails in flight, the pilot in command may operate
that aircraft and land if weather conditions are at or above basic
VFR weather minimums, visual contact with the tower is maintained,
and a clearance to land is received. If the aircraft radio fails
while in flight under IFR, the pilot must comply with Â§91.185.

Flown nordo into controlled fields loads of times..

Not usually a prob. No flight plan either. Just called the tower by
phone before i departed or flew as a flight of two.

Yes, in my thinking that call to the tower established a plan.

Hmm, dunno. I suppose it does. You'd have to ask an ATC type how they'd
classify it, but it's a clearance into the zone at least.

bertie