"Dan" wrote in message
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On Mar 5, 6:55 pm, "Bob F." wrote:

The only hours that must be logged are those required for a rating or
proficiency, or dual given as a CFI.

Dan

Absolutely right. I noticed you said logged, not tallied. It's
interesting
about the CFI logging and often brought up at CFI refresher clinics. Do
you
realize and the Instructor has no choice when he gives instruction to
sign
your log? There's no vote! It is improper to ask "do you want me to
sign
your log book", He must. One the other hand, there is no requirement
for a
student to even have a log book (In many situations). There is also no
requirement to have a log book with you, so what's an instructor to do.
Well, when I run into the situation, I grab a scrap of paper, make the
notations and say "here, this is now part of your logbook". The only out
is, there is no TIME required to make the entry after instruction...
today,
tomorrow and year from now... Anyhow, a small discontinuity in the regs.

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BobF.

Hmmm..

I thought the only *required CFI log* is the CFI's own log of dual
given (to be kept 3 years).


Sec. 61.189 - Flight instructor records.
(a) A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom that
instructor has given flight training or ground training.

and while we are at it:

(2) The name of each person that instructor has endorsed for a knowledge
test or practical test, and the record shall also indicate the kind of test,
the date, and the results.

This one means that when I recommend a candidate for a written test, I need
to track him down, get the results and record it. This one is often
overlook and I'll bet 90 % of the CFI's miss this. The "out" here is,
always do the sign off with your Ground Instrutor Certificate number, which
I always do. Guess what... no records required.


In the case of the student with no log book -- the CFI cannot
comply...?

That's the point I tried to make.


Dan






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BobF.