On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:57:04 -0800 (PST), Dan
wrote:

I know this is a waste of time but:
Sorry to cloud your thinking, but here are the facts you desired.

Unfortunately they don't square with your preposterous claims or 20'
sea level rise.

FACT: The National Academy of Sciences reported in 2001 that, "Because
of the large and still uncertain level of natural variability inherent
in the climate record and the uncertainties in the time histories of
the various forcing agents...a causal linkage between the buildup of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the observed climate changes
during the 20th century cannot be unequivocally established." It also
noted that 20 years' worth of data is not long enough to estimate long-
term trends.

That was on 01. They've changed their minds

FACT: Predictions of 6°C temperature rises over the next 100 years are
at the extreme end of the IPCC range (read the report).

Several of those from the committee were on TV recently and made the
statements their published figures were ultra conservative.

FACT: Both James Hansen of NASA--the father of greenhouse theory--and
Richard Lindzen of MIT--the most renowned climatologist in the world--
agree that, even if nothing is done to restrict greenhouse gases, the
world will only see a global temperature increase of about 1°C in the
next 50-100 years. Hansen and his colleagues "predict additional
warming in the next 50 years of 0.5 ± 0.2°C, a warming rate of 0.1 ±
0.04°C per decade."

Your data is way out of date. I'm currently reading an article on
Hansen (the guy you quoted above). In it Hansen's analysis shows that
the earth warmed that 0.5C in the last 30 years for a current total
of 0.9C since 1880. The original data was taken from too small an
area.


FACT: No one has provided data that conclusively links human activity
to the temperature rise of 0.6 C over 100 years.

To quote again. "To questions about whether this warming is natural
or just a fluctuation the answer has become clear: The world is
getting warmer." Hansen stated. "The fact agrees so well with what we
calculate with our global climate model that I am confident we are
looking at warming that is mainly due to increasing human-made
greenhouse gases"

Hansen is using the 1 deg C as a tipping point that will put us into
dangerous territory. He figures at least a 2 to 3C rise by the end
of the century "Which is a temperature Earth hasn't experienced
since the middle of the Pliocene Epoch about three million years ago
when sea level was roughly _25_METERS_HIGHER_ than it is today"
(Again quoting Hansen)

FACT: No one has proven a causal link between CO2 and global
temperatures. It may be a cause, but is more likely an effect.

In previous cycles the temperature rose and then "carbon forcing"
caused the CO2 to rise. This time the CO2 rise is leading the
temperature rise making it one of the causes rather than a result.

So much for out-of-date "facts" when the same scientist says
differently.

The above remarks by Hansen can be found at
www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/temptracker/




Dan





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