robert arndt wrote:
Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. In regards to what I posted
let's recap:

Arthur Sack A.S.6: Conventional piston-engined circular research
aircraft. [...] This aircraft does not represent in
any way the nature of the diversified German disc programs.

Indeed. Because it is the only one in your list which actually flew.

False. You conveniently left out the BMW Flugelrad craft ADMITTED by
the USAF in 1996 as well as the DOCUMENTED Feuerball weapons by the
415th NFS, and the Schauberger Repulsin motors.

[Snip lots of increasingly weird stuff, including:]

[...] Key question is if a larger version was installed in the SS
Projekt Saucer program. [...]
^^^^^^^

What? "Projekt _Saucer_"?!? ROTFLOL!! Why the **** would the SS name
the project "Saucer" - that isn't a German word!

That is a postwar English translation, sorry. Should be "Projekt
Flugkreisel".


Now we get to the occult stuff and material that is highly
controversial.

Only _now_ does it get controversial?!

Yes, because there is nothing really controversial about the
Flugelrads since they were jet rotorcraft. You are familiar with the
Germans other weird helicopters like the jet-tipped WNF 342, the
backpack helicopter Heliofly III, and portable helicopter NR 55? What
about the Himmelsturmer rocket pack that is still classified? All of
these were real and flew.
The patented Fw VTOL and windtunnel tested Omega Diskus and Coanda
Lenticular Disc aren't mysterious either- just odd for the time.
The only things that do make us wonder are Schauberger's Repulsin
motors, the Feuerball weapon, and of course the occult RFZ, Vril, and
Haunebu discs.

[More snippo ... up to stuff like:]

After that, again the mediums channeled information of a crashed alien
craft in the Black Forest, near Freiberg in 1936. The Thule Society
recovered the craft and attempted to reverse engineer it at Himmler's
(a Thule member) castle, which served as an SS religious/occult
experimentation center. From their studies of the craft Thule
supposedly came up with the Tachyonator drive which along with the
Schumann Levitator device allowed a rotating magnetic field. These
devices as well as a mercury fueled engine were incorporated into the
RFZ, Vril, and Haunebu discs.

Yeah, sure ... "Tachyonator drive" - cool ;-). BTW, you forgot to
include the words "quantum" and "anti-gravity" in the description -
otherwise, your little program which concatenates UFO buzzwords with
some grammatical filler works quite well.

I am only describing the information provided. The Thule Triebwerke consisted of a Coler Converter coupled to a Van De Graf band generator and a large hollow sphere filled with mercury. W. Schumann, who worked with Coler, invented some form of levitator device also. All of these enabled the Haunebu and Vril discs to achieve a rotating magnetic field- supposedly.

Some of these discs tested various armament from 7.92mm MGs to 30mm
MK-108 cannon and larger calibres. All proved impractical and no disc
aircraft were ever reported as firing on Allied aircraft.

Aww ... that's a bit of a show-stopper here, isn't it? MGs, MK-108s ...
didn't the aliens provide any lasers, plasma guns or proton torpedoes?

As far as I understand the information recieved by the Thule/Vril
mediums they were instructed to construct a flight machine only. Some
of the RFZ and Vril photos clearly show MGs but I am not certain about
the MK-108 claims. I can't tell from the photos given if that
protruding gun is a 30mm cannon. Anyway, the Germans certainly would
have tried arming some even though their type of flight made them
useless as fighters.


The big question is what happened to them? This is where the wild
stories begin.

Ah, _finally_ the "wild stories" begin - great, I already feared the
plain vanilla b*ll**** would go on and on ...

[As promised, the stories are wild ... snipperoo]

They aren't any more wild than stories of the Windcannon, Soundcannon,
Vortex Projector, Kugelpanzer (a round tank), etc... yet we know these
devices were built despite how absurd they were.

If the German disc programs are fantasy Andreas please explain the
USAF need to keep thier history classified for 75 years (until 2020).

The USAF classifies all sorts of old stuff for a very long time without
quoting any specific reason. Reportedly there are still some classified
WW1 documents! They're just paranoid, that's all.

Then why mention "certain developments in the Third Reich at the close
of WW2" in Project Bluebook? It is an official document and they
certainly aren't referring to a Me-262 when comparing Reich technology
to '60s sightings of alien disc craft. Second, the USAF denied the
Flugelrads for 51 years... then suddenly admitted the Germans had them
in 1996... "but that they were highly unstable". Sorry, we get the
admission but no photos of any kind or flight footage (which the USAF
certainly has).

Please also explain how three different peoples in history ranging
from the ancients to the USAF describe mercury as powering a non-jet
engine to achieve flight?

_Three_? That's nothing! _Millions_ of different people have claimed
that they can predict the future using a deck of Tarot cards - yet,
it's _still_ bull****! And so are Hg-powered flying discs.

No, you are full of **** since Lockheed and Northrop fly such black
budget craft today. What flew over Belgium in the early '90s was a
military aircraft and it is photographed, witnesses by hundreds, and
confirmed by civilian radar, military radar, Fighter radar, and even
spy sat. Note the craft has no jet engines, so what is it flying on
Andreas?

The ancients had the Vimana craft, the
Germans the Vril and Haunebu, and the USAF the TR-3b Astra.

Although we might disagree, as aviation fans, I think we can put aside
our nationalistic differences for the moment

At least the "nationalistic" differences are quite interesting: you are
an _American_ NAZI fan, and I'm a _German_ anti-fascist ;-)!

and both agree that it

No, I'm a German-American that enjoys history and military hardware of
all types. You are a silly native German who can't handle your own
history.

would be nice to know the truth. If given the chance to examine the
documents still classified today would you not eagerly go through them
to discover if these craft existed or not? I would

It's a win-win situation for conspiracy nuts like you anyway. If the
files are kept under wraps, you cry "Cover-up!" - and when they're
finally declassified and don't confirm your claims, you cry even louder
"COVER-UP!! The files are faked, the _real_ ones are _still_ secret!"

and that's all I'm saying.

Probably not.

Andreas

You lie Andreas. If you examined the files, photos, flight footage,
you are the kind of person who would STILL DENY the evidence. I pity
you.
Which person is more decieved- the one who only believes "official"
history or the one that believes we've been lied to?
Time is on my side...

Rob