On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:56:49 -0700 (PDT), Dan
wrote:

On Mar 24, 8:35 pm, Roger wrote:

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

My wife's is always ready to use. That is whey after sticking my

"Ready to use" is meant to be interpreted in context. A concealed
carry handgun is loaded because it may be used at any time. Therefore
it is being "used" as it is being carried.

Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety, and, if the

And how pray tell do you do this with a model 12 trap gun or Glock
9mm?

The Glock safety is a trigger safety, period. The is no manual safety,
thus no safety to engage/disengage. So keep your damn finger off the
trigger and thereby avoid disengaging the safety.

Although considered a safety the problem is it's not a true safety in
the sense of preventing an accidental firing. (Unlike the 1911 which
blocks the firing pin) If you drop it and something hits the trigger
from the front it'll fire and don't go sticking it in your belt.:-))


Bottom line -- only point it at things you don't mind killing.

Minding and intending have little to do with each other.
If some one broke into our home in the middle of the night I would
deeply regret the resutls of my intentions.

No kidding. If you haven't worked through the scenarios beforehand,
you'll lose. The preps certainly have no compunction about offing you.



Best plan is to determine the extent of legal use of deadly force in
your jurisdiction and then plan to that contingency.

Self defense is the only option in MI. Protection of property is not.
At night you only need fear for your life. You are still going to have
to explain as does every officer. At least you no longer have to
prove you exhausted all avenues of escape.


Careful what you shoot at , it may shoot back.

Then be fast and accurate.
I'm not faster than a ricochet

Don't try to lecture me on firearms, Roger. I have more ten times more

And where was I doing that?
That is one of the problems with Usenet. We reply in first person and
it sounds like a lecture.

hours on ranges than you have hours in your Deb.

I've only seen one AD on a trap range and I've been around a very long
time. It went off when the action closed on a semi auto. (don't
remember if it was a Remington 1100 or Winchester 1400). Hands were
clear of the trigger guard and barrel down range. Could have been a
high primer... who knows. Scared the guy with the shotgun more than
any one else. There was an AD at the MI State trap shoot one year.
Not sure of the details, but the weather IIRC was light rain, the
guy with the shot gun closed the action and dropped the thing either
when mounting it to his shoulder of closing the action. It went off
when it hit the ground. Unfortunately it landed with the barrel
pointed to the rear. Fortunately it was in the mud and although it
blasted a guy in the back the dirt took up a lot of the power. The
only guns I can think of that would pivot like that when closing would
be a single or double barrel but as I said, I wasn't there.

Now the old Winchester predecessor of the model 12 (don't remember the
model number but it had an open hammer) those were notorious for going
off when closing the action. They also didn't have a disconnector.

Roger (K8RI)
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com