As with any of these "which glider should I buy" questions, my first comment
would be: Do not underestimate the value of a good trailer!
At the end of the day, the state of your trailer will probably have had a
much larger impact on your experience than a few percent of performance
difference between gliders. Having a good, well functioning trailer that
makes assembly/disassembly easy and scratch-safe really adds to the joy of
soaring.

DG has always used better gelcoat than most competitors, including
Schleicher and the LS folks. Many DG gliders will have excellent original
gelcoat, even as they age considerably.

The '202 uses a traditional Wortmann wing profile that is known to be quite
sensitive to rain and bugs. -Something to consider if you live in the rain
forest ;-)

The ASW-20 is a classic and an absolute joy to fly.

Oh, and if God had meant for us to fly unflapped gliders, he would have had
given us only one arm ;-)

Happy Soaring with whatever you choose,
Lars Peder
DG-600/18, Denmark


"noel.wade" wrote in message
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Hi All,

This is a bit of a loaded question (I think both sellers are
contributors to RAS) - but I'd like to get as much feedback as
possible from as wide of an audience as possible...

I've been agonizing (here and elsewhere) between the niceties of a
DG-300 and the flapped flexibilities of an ASW-20.

Someone just reminded me of the DG-202/17 on W&W (which I'd earlier
looked at and passed up), and they thought it might be worth
considering again as a potential "meet in the middle" option between
the DG-300 and the ASW-20.

On the one hand, the DG-202/17 isn't automatic hookups like the
DG-300; but it does seem to have the nicer canopy and much of the
prized ergonomics of the DG-300.

With flaps, it should have a flatter polar than the DG-300 (maybe not
100% ASW-20 performance, but possibly not degrade as much in the 65 -
80 knot range where the DG-300 and most other Std-Class ships really
start to lose out to flapped ships).

Again, I'm going to be flying in 2 - 5 knot lift with 4,000'
cloudbases a lot of the time; so raw speed isn't important to me in
terms of strong conditions... I just want to make enough speed to take
advantage of moderate day lengths and still go cross-country (as well
as fly in the desert a couple of times a year, and maybe compete in a
Regional each year in the Sports Class).

The 17m tips of the DG-202/17 are also intriguing. Coming from a
Russia AC-4 its would be quite a change if I go that route! But at
the same time, I often watch a local Open Cirrus just cruise (lumber)
along with its 17m wings on such a flat glide - I must admit I am
envious! I don't know what the DG-202/17 maneuverability is like; but
if it is decent then the extra span might be nice for those scratchy
days where I still want to stretch out and fly XC.

Of course, I don't know what condition this particular DG-202/17 is
in. JJ's DG-300 is getting all-new Urethane and a nice panel; so the
value there is well-known (and he knows it, too). But the DG-202/17
is selling for less, and the question is: How much less does it have
to be in order for the DG-202/17 to become a more attractive deal?

The bottom line is that I'm trying to get the best glider for my local
flying conditions (weak to moderate with low to middling cloudbases),
and my flying style (which requires crisp & responsive handling, good
cockpit ergonomics, and hopefully easy rigging). I am trying at this
point to view both gliders next week while I'm travelling to
California for vacation.

Any thoughts or details would be very much appreciated! I can't find
a good measured polar for a DG-202 (just 200's and 400's), so anyone
with a good polar for the aircraft and/or other information on the
detailed differences between the DG-200 and the DG-202 would be great
(I know what's on the Sailplane Directory, but its pretty basic info
about the differences)!

Thanks in advance,

--Noel