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funkraum writes:
(Peter Stickney) wrote:
(funkraum) writes:
(Peter Stickney) wrote:

[...]
In fact of course he was an unrepentant Nazi as he acknowledged
when he wrote his memoirs in 1951.

Not to mention that he was a key figure in the Odessa orginaization,
whose sole purpose was to shuffle Nazis out of the defeated Germany
and set them up in other spots in the world.
[...]

Where did you read this ?

As far as Rudel and Odessa? The first mention I saw was in 1990, as
part of an Appreciation of likely candidates for organized crime
syndicates in Eastern Europe after the Berlin Wall fell.


Rudel's old
NDP crew (Postwar Nazis in Germany) were pretty prominent.


My God the Nazis really were supermen ! Still robbing banks and
squeezing protection out of nightclubs when well past retirement age.

Most of that was in the 1940s & 50s. They were in their 20s and 30s
then. The Prime Hoodlum Years - they're still fit enough to be
menacing, and have emough experience to be Real Menacing.

And, as they get older, they get teams of Junior Thugs to do the
Fetching and Carrying. We're talking Organized Crime, not Rocket
Science.


'appreciation' , 'likely' , 'candidates' - This is a bit vague, no ?

No.
An Appreciation, in Official Report Language, is a reaoned assessment
of a paticular situation, and what could come out of that situation.
There were other candidates as well, of course. The various State
Security Agencies (KGB, STAASI, GB, u.s.w.) were, and are, also up
there as well. Odessa had the advantages of organization and
experience at operatng underground to draw on.

Further, since there are hundreds and possibly thousands of minor
Neo-Nazi 'organisations' (all with obligatory red white black squiggle
symbol variant), all of whom draw their membership from young
disaffected males, who happen to be the same set of persons involved
in dis/organised crime, it seems something of a tautology to suggest
such.

Again, the lagic used for the Figure of Merit was that of
Organization, Experience, and Contacts. Other than that, Cheap Dumb
Muscle is Cheap Dumb Muscle.

Such a vague document is unlikely to have stumbled across anything
more than the usual second-hand rumours surrounding 'Odessa'.

Then tell me what the context of the document was, who wrote it, and
who it was reviewed by, if yo know so much about it.

Most recently, where you could find it,
in Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke. Hitler's Priestess: Savitri Devi, the
Hindu-Aryan Myth, and Neo-Nazism. New York: New York University
Press. 1998, reviewed in The American Historical Review, Vol 104, No.3


'Rudel a key figure in Odessa organisation' - But where did Nicholas
Goodrick-Clarke read it ? Presumably there is a reference to his
world-scoop interview with an Odessa mole ? Either that or he has
nothing better than Frederick Forsyth.

Actually, he got it first hand from Devi herself.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster