"Clem" wrote in message
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I heard the music just fine. A bunch of idiots who can't
get past a JPG, do nothing but cry when presented with a
different format. Boo ****ing hoo! Update the outdated
software or quit bitching that you can't decode the files
or don't want them posted at all.

The 'crying bunch of idiots' you are referring to have been here for a very
long time, posting on a regular basis. Some as long as a decade or even
longer. You, however, I do not remember seeing here before. We've discussed
the pros and cons of other software in the past, and the majority agreed it
would be easier for all, especially people that are new to Usenet, to use
standaard file formats (i.e. JPG), as opposed to the non standard yEnc.

As far as not seeing all the files post to a server or a
file falling into oblivion, learn how a news server system
works and you'll learn why the problems happen.

I *know* why the problems happen. I also know that yEnc is not the answer.
In fact, it will cause more problems in the longer run, because it doesn't
reduce data, it only leads to more data. There are two reasons for the
problems:
1. Usenet was never intended, nor designed for the posting of binaries.
2. The amount of data on usenet (especially in the warez-groups) is growing
and growing. The providers simply cannot keep up adding new disk arrays.

The way some out here talk, you would think that gif's/jpg's
get through 100% of the time and all other formats don't.
That's simply not true.

Agreed. But the same goes for yEnc'd binaries.

First and foremost, understand what a binary file is.

Binary files can contain images, sounds, compressed versions
of other files, etc. in short, any type of file content whatsoever.

So? You still ignore the fact that Usenet was never intended for binaries.
eYenc'ed or not.

J3 has every right to post any type of picture file he wants.

And the "cryers" have every right to complain about the bandwidth he is
selfishly claiming to be 'his', even wen a fairly large amout of people ask
him not to.

When you have a group named alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
you provide an open door for any format to be posted.

When you ask a group if there are any objections, there is a simple rule
called 'netiquette' to keep you from flooding a group. Not just this one,
but ANY group. That same 'netiquette' tells you to follow a group for some
time before you start posting. That way you learn who's who, what to do, and
what not to do. Flaming and ranting are amongst the things you should not.

If you want a limited type of format, then start a group called
alt.snaphotpictures.aviation. or alt.pictures.aviation. I can't
find either one in my lists.

As I said: had you followed netiquette, you would have known, or at least
could have known, the sentiments on yEnd and flooding. There is a history to
this group, and an active group of users that go with that history. If you
insist on posting things your way, I suggest you follow your own idea, and
start a new group, called alt.binaries.yenc.aviation or something of the
like. Being so smart on usenet I'm sure you know how to send a control
message to start such a group.

This is not the good old boys club or a membership only group.
It's an open public system and you have to expect and allow for
posts other than a simple picture file.

I'm sorry, but no. A pub is a public place, where anywone can walk in. But
that does not mean you can take over the place, and do whatever you like.

We've come a long way since z-modem 2400 baud connects and it's
about time the whiners accept that fact or they should just place
their 8088 machines in the closet.

The only whiners I see are the little guys that keep on telling the world
there's a new invention, and we should all join the latest and greatest.
I've got some disappointing news for you. yEnc is far from new. In fact, it
already existed last century. I know, cause I tried it back then. I tried
two times after that, every time with a pause of some years. Just like I
tried other posting software, and even Usenet webinterfaces (puke). I'm just
happy with what I got. Standard Windows-software is neatly doing what I
expect it to do. I don't need you, or anyone else for that matter, to tell
me what I'm doing is wrong, or old fashioned. I know it is wrong to post
binaries on Usenet. I know Usenet is old fashioned. I like still it that
way.

Now, go downstairs to your mom, and ask her for a cookie. You're too young
to be here. Usenet is the underbelly of the Internet. Most content is
illegal, porn, or both. I'm sure your mom wouldn't like to see you in a
neighbourhood like that.

Ron
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Non urinat in ventum