That is a bit unfair on the K21!. The training glider that has killed the
most pilots in spin related accidents in the UK is easily the Puchacz,
latest count about 14 I believe.

The K21 is a very safe glider in itself, but even that will do enough of a
wing drop to have you into the ground off a poorly executed low final turn.
My club still uses K13s as its basic trainer as it will just about drop
wings and spin if you force it to, but it is still more docile than many
single seaters.

You are getting into the debate about whether deliberate spin training
kills more people than accidental spins.

I know from personal experience that an unexpected spin, e.g. in a rough
thermal, can come as a bit of a shock, and it can take time to remember
what to do about it.

Derek Copeland

At 09:17 03 July 2009, Ian wrote:
On 2 July, 20:21, Brian wrote:

I totally believe most stall spin accident soccur because the pilot is
not thinking about a stall spin and is not on the hair trigger ready
to recover, .i.e. they are distracted from this issue.

I believe that many of the spin accidents in the UK occur because most
pilots are trained ab initio in unspinnable gliders and, whatever
their instructors say, end up believing deep down that spins have to
be specially provoked in specially prepared or chosen aircraft.

What glider has killed most pilots in spins? The K21.

Ian