nt (Krztalizer) wrote in message ...

Do you think that above is somehow due to that is discussed below?

Michael


from "Notes from a Big Country" by Bill Bryson

There are idiots in every country, Michael, obviously.

It is always my pleasure to talk with you, Gordon.
To that your point I can say: definetly yes.

In my son's elementary
class, there are 22 kids; fifteen of them were tested for the GATE program and
of 22 'average American kids' (five immigres from Eritrea, one from Iraq, four
from Mexico, two from Somalia + six caucasian children and four latinos that
were born in the USA), three qualified for Gifted and Talented programs - none
of these were from overseas.

So what? If you suggest that local amerians are smarter? Well you are
very wrong as usual. My daughter enter 1-st grade in Germany having no
abilities to speak German since we just came. What do you think would
be result of her test in that year. Zero. In two years she became first
in all tests including German free writing. Also even for natives
elementary school is not very indicative of natural smartness due too
big influence of the family invironment etc which decreases with time.
Last years in a high school show true personal results and often
firsts in elementary school become last or moderate in last years
of high school. The same is applicable to universities.

So when you look at Russian schools, where NO
ONE immigrates,

Oops. Who told you that bull ****. To your knowledge, Gordon
According to UN last year report Russia is #3 country
in terms of immigrates (after USA and Germany). The only
difference is qualities of immigrates. Unlike US and
Germany our immigrates are mostly from FSU states, speak perfect
russian as native second language and have no problems
for quick absorbtion by russian society. It is advantage
not a drawback compare to USA and Germany. During 90s
we have absorbted 10 mil immigrates. In fact we
have more georgians living in russia than Georgia itself
has. The same goes for many others like Kazahs, armianes,
azeries, moldovanes etc. In my department we have people
of all kind. Recently I have been discussing on ongoing
project with two outside collaborators. one is azer
and another is armian. They said Russia is the only
place in the world where this still can happend.

and US Schools stuffed to the gills with immigrants, you would
expect the results you get.

Much more than that. With such kind of culture diversity
of influx immigrants (ritrea, Iraq, Mexico, Somalia, caucasian etc),
I would expect that in 10-20 years there would be very big problems
in US to mantain its working democratic political model and based
on high business ethics economical model. Would it be even existing?


That said, of course there are dumbass American kids.

Sorry Gordon the point of the article was not that there are
dumbass American kids. This fact does not need any proves.
Education and more improtantly environment (TV, media etc)
make dumbass of them. That's was the point, in my view.

I feel better knowing that there are dumb****s in every nation - you do
your best to prove that for us, daily.

This is only due to fact Gordon, that you are perfect product of
that system. and certainly you feel like a dumbass. you just have to,
Gordon.

Michael