On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Hoult
wrote:


I'd really love to know where all these mythical LS4s are.

http://www.segelflug.de/classifieds/

For example:
ASW-19, without instruments, otherwise good condition, 16.600 Eur
LS-4 23.500 Eur
DG-300 22.000 Eur
ASW-15 12.000 Eur



Our two PW5s cost us NZ$25k each brand new, which would have been
around $15k or 13k EUR at the time.

Well... at this time we still had the D-Mark, the PW-5 being
significantly more expensive than a used LS-4 at this time, definitely
beyond the 35.000 DM border.


Those certainly have more performance than a PW5, but they are far
less suitable for early solo flying and first cross country flying and
outlandings. The Cirrus has a belly hook and an all flying tail. Both
have much more marginal airbrakes than more recent designs.

Maybe some of the 1st generation gliders have some disadvantages
compared to a PW-5, but certainly not the ASW-19 and later gliders.


We throw people in the PW5 after about 5 solo flights in the Grob
(back then) or DG1000 now. Would you do that with a Libelle or Cirrus?
I don't think so.

I'd certainly be interested to learn if German clubs do it with an
LS4.

They do, although usually there are solo flights required on the
double seater (we usually use the winch).


But that's not the point.
Worldclass was a clear failure due to the chosen glider. The success
uf Club class demonstrates what people really want.

Andreas