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Old October 17th 10, 12:26 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Mark Dickson[_2_]
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Default Aug 6th B738 and Glider Near Miss. Frankfurt

No, it's Ryanair. They always look for direct routings, even if it
takes them outside controlled airspace. As for believing ATCOs,
well, they will always say there isn't enough controlled airspace; if
class D has been established around Hahn, it will be large enough
for vectoring onto the ILS. Contrary to popular myth, gliders show
as a primary return on radar displays; whether controllers choose
to avoid them or notice them is another matter.

At 22:29 16 October 2010, John Smith wrote:
Andreas Maurer wrote:
Well... I fly in the vicinity of Frankfurt-Hahn, and its D airspace
ought to be completely sufficient to fly the complete approach

without
ever touching the surrounding E airspace.


Well... in the German glider forum, a controller says otherwise.
Personally, I can't judge it, but I tend to believe the controller.

Last July I was on board of a Ryan Air 737 (1.98 Euros from
Zweibruecken to Londion Stansted - and back !!!) that was

flying a
straight-in approach to Zweibruecken... after a 50 nm (for

insiders:
we entered E airspace north of Trier....!!!) final in E airspace at
6.000 ft, right below the cloud streets.


As it was class E, they were cleared for that route by the

controller.
So blame the controller and not Ryanair.