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Old November 2nd 10, 11:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Commercial Rating for Towing Gliders not needed? in US

On Nov 1, 7:00*pm, Tony wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:45*pm, T wrote:





On Oct 31, 7:54*pm, Pete Brown wrote:


On 10/31/2010 12:53 PM, T wrote:


In the US, a Private rated pilot can tow gliders. He cannot receive
compensation.
A private rated tow pilot can tow for club or commercial operations,
the tow pilot cannot be compensated.


It's not clear to me what basis you have for saying this. I would
caution you not to read in what is not there.


The pertinent parts of FAR 61.113 are shown immediately below and
explicitly *permit a private *pilot to tow for hire or compensation. RTFR!


Paragraph FAR 61.113 (a) spells out the general prohibitions against
compensation and then paragraphs b through g spell out the exceptions to
the general prohibition.


Sec. 61.113


Private pilot privileges and limitations: Pilot in command.


(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) through (g) of this section, no
person who holds a private pilot certificate may act as pilot in command
of an aircraft that is carrying passengers or property for compensation
or hire; nor may that person, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in
command of an aircraft.


(non relevant parts deleted.)


[(g) A private pilot who meets the requirements of Sec. 61.69 may act as
pilot in command of an aircraft towing a glider or unpowered ultralight
vehicle.]


Amdt. 61-110, Eff. 9/1/2004


Mostly, who can tow, is run by the insurance companies.


This is correct. Many insurance companies have higher requirements than
the FAA for towing generally and during contests as well.


As you quoted "except as provided" an in sub paragraph [g] .. it says
he can act as Pilot in Command to tow a glider.
It does not say he can be compensated.


T


(a) says that unless a private pilot meets one of the exceptions, they
cannot be compensated. *Which is to say if you are operating under one
of the exceptions, you can be compensated.- Hide quoted text -

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I think some people are not looking at the WHOLE 61.113, but only
picking up what they want to read.
Agreed, 61.113(a), states that excpet for the exceptions in bthrough
g, a Private pilot cannot act as PIC or be Compenstated.

So lets look at (b), states that a Pvt Pilot, may.. for compensation
or hire, act as PIC for a business (with certain restrictions)... that
magic word.. Compensation.

(c) states, may act as PIC for a pro rata share with other
passengers.. PIC.. Shared Expense.. (rental, fuel, oil only, not
insurance or capital costs).. no Compensation mentioned
(d) states, may act as PIC for a charity event.. provided all the
other rules are met... no Compensation mentioned
(e) staes, may be reimbursed for expenses for search and rescue
operations.. only direct expenses, fuel, oil airport fees, or rental,
not insurance or otehr capital operating costs... no Compensation
mentioned
(f) states, may act as PIC to demonstrate an aircraft for sale.. no
compensations.. (other discussions are that you are compensated as
salesman, not pilot)
(g) states, may act as PIC for glider tow... No mention of
Compensation...

If you look to the history of 61.113 and Pvt Pilot Priviledges,
paragraph (g) was written to allow Pvt Pilots to count the hours as
tow pilot in their logbooks towards additional ratings. FAA did
consider that accumulation of free hours was non monetary compensation
and not allowed before the rewrite of 61.113(g).

The only "except as proivided in (b) thru (g)" that includes
compensation is (b)

I'll stand that paragraph 61.113(g) states that a Pvt Pilot may act as
PIC for tow operations, he may not be compensated for it.

T