In article ,
"Paul F Austin" writes:

"B2431" wrote in message
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(Andrew Sanders)


These comments were in response to something Dan (B2431) said:

'Even if they hadn't started the war Nazi Germany would have been a
major
flop in the long run.'

Not sure; they damn nearly did win the war,

Define "damn near did win the war."

The pigs had nowhere near enough naval capacity to invade the U.K. and
nowhere
near enough air cover to support any landings. Do a little research on
Operation Sealion.

So what did the dummies do when they realized they couldn't take England?
They
went east against the Soviet Union who were prepared to sacrifice huge
numbers
of people while withdrawing their industrial strength out of reach of the
pigs.
Even without U.S. support the Soviets would have eventually bled the pigs
dry
just through attrition. Do a little research on Operation Barbarosa.

In both cases the Nazi pigs would have had to develop long range heavy
bombers
to prolong the war. There is no way they could have won the war without
Stalin's swinery quitting followed by a prolonged rest and recupperation
before
taking on the UK again.

None of this addresses the fact that the murderers would have run out of
Jews
to extract gold teeth from to sell to the Swiss. The Nazi economy was on
life
support throughout the war. They only lasted as long as they did because
they
could capture gold and sell it to the Swiss collaborators.

The Nazis were unspeakable ****s. That said, they had several opportunities
to_win_the war. The first opportunity failure was the pause outside the
British perimeter around Dunkirk. The second and third (these are related)
are failures to mobilize German industry in 1940-41 and the failure to
integrate conquered Europe industrially to support German war production.
The fourth was in attacking the USSR and having done_that_bit of idiocy,
driving the Ukrainians and European Russians back into Stalin's arms.

In The Germans mobilizing their industry further, earlier:
I really don't think that this would have had any effect. The
limiting factor in German industrial prosuction was access to raw
materiels. They didn't have enough, and anything that was going to be
imported from anywhere other than the Soviet Union, (After the
Molotov-von Ribbentrop Pact) would have had to get past the Royal
Navy. Yes, they could have grubbed Coal out of the ground in the
Ruhr, and Iron from Czechosovakia, and a bit of Nickel, but any
Bauxite/Aluminum, Cobalt, Molybdenum, Chromium, Rubber, or any of
ampty-zillion other materials needed for 1940s Industry had to come
from somewhere else. And they couldn't get it, even if, say, someone
in South America wanted to sell it to them. They didn't have the
Merchant Marine to haul it, or the Navy to escort it.

The Germans had been cutting back on arms production since about
1936. They just didn't have the feedstocks. They were able to make
improvements, when things started getting desparate. Some of that was
in the area of reducing wastage in teh manufacturing processes - the
Germans had a habit of over-machining stuff that just didn't need to
be spit-polished, and their rough castings needed to have a lot of
metal removed to make finished parts. Material quality was dodgy, at
best. For example, metallurigal tests on the glacis (Front Slope)
armor of Panthers recovered in Normandy revealed that the actual
protection value of the aormor plate varied by about 30%. (ANd you
can't tell teh difference by looking at them.) Not a Good Thing, if
you happen to be one of the crews issued a lemon.


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Pete Stickney
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bad measures. -- Daniel Webster