WaltBJ wrote:

There are three redlines for the F104A with either the -3b or the -19
engine.
710 KIAS, 121C or M 2.0. I believe most Zipper pilots honored these
limits in the breach, as the Limeys say.

Walt, are you sure you weren't thinking of the Deuce (or some other a/c),
as far as the KIAS redline goes? I checked the F-104A-1, and for a clean
(or AIM-9s and/or pylons at the tips) a/c all it says is 650KEAS at sea
level, increasing linearly to 750KEAS at 5,000 and up (there doesn't
appear to be a fixed redline on the ASI at all, just a yellow line @
240KIAS for max. landing flap speed). The instrument section of the Dash
1 dealing with the ASI/Machmeter says "The second aneroid drives the
maximum allowable airspeed pointer. This pointer is preset to the
aircraft's maximum equivalent airspeed and increases with altitude,"
agreeing with the operating limits info.

Guy