"Scott MacEachern" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:08:30 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

He wants to be considered a Vietnam war hero, yet he condemned the
US soldiers, airmen, and sailors who fought there as being war criminals

Yup, he's said that some were war criminals. That wasn 't the case?

His indictment went well beyond "some". From his 18 APR 1971 appearance on
"Meet the Press":

"...I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free
fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid
strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter
of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals."

He lumps the use of .50 cal weapons as anti-personnel weapons and the
conduct of search and destroy missions as firther examples of "atrocities".
He claims that "the men who ordered us" were guilty of war crimes--so anyone
outranking Lt(jg) Kerry are, in his words, war criminals. By his definition,
anyone who participated in a search and destroy mission (which is a
legitimate tactic in and of itself) was a war criminal. I'd think these
categories includes quite a bit more than "some", wouldn't you?


he wants to claim his undying dedication to all things military, yet his
voting
record in regards to military programs says otherwise;

Support for the military means you have to vote for every dumb-ass
proposal that comes along, like Star Wars? Shut your eyes, suspend
your critical facilities and vote 'yes'?

No, but you ought to be able to show where you voted for aq goodly portion
of them. Kerry liked to be on the side of the typical, "It's a waste of
money, it won't work as advertised" crowd; expereince has shown us that the
vast majority of our weapons systems have indeed though worked quite well,
and saved quite a few US (and likely enemy, by virtue of reducing the
lengths of the conflicts we have fought to date) lives.

"Even after the first World Trade Center bombing, Senator Kerry voted to gut
intelligence spending by $1.5 billion for the five years prior to 2001. In
1996, he voted to slash defense spending by $6.5 billion. Both bills were so
reckless that neither had any co-sponsors willing to endorse his plans."

washingtontimes.com/national/20040130-105141-8706r.htm

Running For Senate In 1984, Kerry Called For Cancellation Of At Least 27
Weapons Systems And Reductions In 18 Other Systems. "[Kerry] recommended
cancellation of 27 weapons systems including the B1 bomber, the cruise
missile, MX missile, Trident submarine, Patriot air defense missile, F15
fighter plane, Sparrow missile, stealth bomber and Pershing II missile. He
recommended reductions in 18 other systems including the joint tactical air
system, the Bradley fighting vehicle, the M1 Abrams tank and the F16 fighter
plane."
- Upon Entering Senate, Kerry's First Floor Speech Was In Opposition To
Critical Missile Program And He Introduced Comprehensive Nuclear Freeze
Bill. Kerry introduced: "A bill to provide for a comprehensive bilateral and
verifiable freeze between the United States and the Soviet Union on the
testing, production, and deployment of nuclear weapons systems." The bill
had no co-sponsors, and never made it to the Senate floor for a vote.

- Weapons Kerry Sought To Phase Out Were Vital In Iraq. "[K]erry supported
cancellation of a host of weapons systems that have become the basis of US
military might - the high-tech munitions and delivery systems on display to
the world as they leveled the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein in a matter of
weeks."

- Kerry Voted Against At Least Eleven Military Pay Increases.

- As Senator, Kerry Also Pushed To Cut Intelligence Funding By More Than
$2.58 Billion.

Source for the above: www.dgci.net/archives/000139.html

I guess a guy who has access to the Heinz fortune felt that pay increases
for the military were unneeded.


and he wants to pillory Bush for alleged special treatment in
getting into and out of the Guard, yet he himself secured early release
from
both Vietnam duty and an early release from his own active duty
committment.

Of course, he actually made it to Vietnam. No one's actually sure that
the Dauphin made it as far as Alabama, except to have his teeth
done...

Tell me, how do you think a Guardsmen walks into a military clinic and gets
a dental exam without being in a duty status? The claim was that he did not
show up for duty in Alabama--you now have the dental records, and the
account of another officer in the unit who recalls his showing up there for
duty (the gentleman even shared lunch with him on occasion). But you are
still gonna cling to that, "he wasn't there" BS, huh? Now, back to the
subject of THIS thread...Kerry did indeed get an early redeployment,
courtesy of all of those wounds he rec eived that resulted in him missing
how many duty days? Then he did indeed obtain an early release from active
duty--curiously without the normal reserve duty committment for the
remainder of his initial duty obligation?


Sounds like a pretty proficient fence sitter to me...

As opposed, for example, to those net.folks who are always very
vociferous in support of vets... as long as those vets are not
Democrats in an election year?

Huh? Your point would be...?

Brooks


Scott