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In article ,
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Some say the technology came from an alien UFO that crashed near
Freiberg in 1936 and was taken to Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg,
reverse engineered. Nevertheless, Thule and Vril continued
development
of these RFZ (RundFlugZeug) with models 1-6 up to 1939. By the
start
of the war Vril had their own designs of which the often-quoted
V-7 is
mentioned. This is a mislabel as it is not part of the

The designation V-1, V-2 etc was not used till late in the war.

The designation V was for "Versuchs" the German word for experimental.
Most german protduction aircraft had up to 30-100 V series aircraft

This is incorrect.

The above sentence is entirely correct. German prototypes always had
a "V" series designation. Any book on German aircraft always lists
this.

OK. I was confusing the use of the word in the areas of "psychological
warfare" vs. experimentalism.

V as it related to the V-1 buzz bomb and V-2 rocket was
for "Vergeileitung" (sp?) which translantes into "Vengeance." Meant to
retaliate for bombing raids on Hamburg, Berlin, etc.

The proper designation of the "Buzz Bomb" was Fiesler Fi 103 and that
of the "V2" was A4. Preceding the A4 was an A1,A2,A3.

Nod.

The term "Vergeileitung" translates more accurately as "Reprisal".

Thank you.

The terms were applied both for their abillity to deceive allied
intelligence (thus the V1 Fi103 could be made to appear as a prototype
Flakzielgaraete" or aerial targed drone and the propaganda value as a
'reprisal' for the saturation bombing of German cities.


The V-designation was applied to the V-1 cruise missile, the V-2 rocket,
and
the V-3 cannon project which was never completed. There were other
guided
missiles, bombs, etc. that were developed but they did not have
V-designations. (The missiles used to sink the Italian battleship Roma,
for
isntance, or the Wasserfall surface to air missile concept.) Before
recieving the "V-2" designation, Dr. Von Braun's rocket was known as the
A-4.

Quite right but as I pointed out the V designation had a duel purpose:
it allowed the Germans to misrepresent their weapons as part of a
series of prototypes in accordance with the Reich Luftfahrt
Ministeriums standards for deisgnation.

OK. Thanks for clearing this up.

Eg Ju 188 V2 meant a derivative of the Ju 88 and the second
experimental protoype (Versuchs 2) thereof. The first series in
production was usually an "A" series aircraft but not always if there
were high altitude pressurised versions or clipped wing versions for
instance.

OK

As for the UFO stuff, it is nonsense. The proponents invariably post
some
sort of cock and bull talem then ask people to prove it wrong. The onus
of
proof is on them, and they try to avoid that because they have none. I
mean,
if I were a German strategic type in 1945 and I had some super-craft,
I'd
darn sure want to use it. Maybe against, say, the Russians? I mean they
would have had a lot of motivation there.

The Philidelphia Experiment also existed as an allied equivalent.

From all the rumors/stuff I heave heard about it, they alleged that it
happened but failed badly. I can't vouch for those stories having credence.
But if they had tried it once, one thinks the tech would have been worked
with since. No real evidence that this is the case, though. The fact that
crew and records of the ship mentioned deny it up and down comes to mind
also. It seems another "urban legend." Though it was an OK movie.

There do appear to have been "foo fighters" or reports filed by allied
aircrew of them that might be traced.

These may have been atmopheric phenomena, they may have been some
unusual lifting body aircraft probably a prototype with some kind of
pulse/ramjet system with lots of external flame that was being used as
some type of contact aircraft.

Or some guy might have been pulling a lot of hours in complete darkness with
only cockpit panel lights, and a radar screen, and gotten a little crossed
on something. Or seen a shooting star or something. There are probably a
hundred logical possibilities, and in the absence of proof that there were
some wierd UFOs or Mach 1+ superfighters flying around in the mid 1940s,
they are the more likely explanations for this stuff.

An aircraft with a speed of 600mph would have looked miraculouse at
the time. I don't discount that possiblity.

Yeah, but if there was one, you think some pilot would have been jumping up
and down after all the fame Chuck Yeager got years later. Or the Astronauts
for that matter. Plus if the US captured a bunch, wouldn't they have sent
some to Korea or something in the 50s? Just some questions....

Not to mention that if the Germans had any plane they could get flying, they
sent it up in 1944/45. The Heinkel Salamander comes to mind, so does the
Messerschmitt Komet.

I do discount the ideas
of exotic energies and propulsions systems based on Vril or some such
nonsense.

I think we can safely agree there!

DEP