I forget what article it is, but yes it is actions unbecomming of an
officer or like terms.

Also things depend on:

Was he in her chain of command?
Did the commander of this unit order her to stop or face charges.

Much like that female officer that was doing much the same, like in
1990?
She was ordered to stop having an affair or relationship with an
enlisted solider if I remember right, and she refused. She was brought
up on charges of not following a lawful order and was booted last I
heard?

But, yes, seen it to many times. One of my former units, it became a
problems when the gals got promitions and special treats cause they were
sleeping with one of the officers..

When it becomes to a point that it is degrading the performance of the
unit, the commander if he knows, and does nothing is just as guilty as
the persons who are doing the "dating".. Dereliction of duty I believe
is the term?

Mike
Alaska

Heh, I met my soon to be Major boss, while I a Specialist was making
passes at a female Lieutenent pilot, so was he.. It made working with
him possibly interesting.. This was years ago. Demi Moorse looks damn
good with short hair. More women should cut it that short.





BigRedWingsFan wrote:

"Young Old Timer" wrote in message
...
: "fudog50" wrote in message
: ...
: You're absolutely wrong, Mr.young old timer,
: A Chief Warrant Officer in the Navy is Commisioned from day one. Go to
: these 2 websites to get educated on Chief Warrant Officers in the
: Navy. Specifically, click on the "history" button.
:
: http://www.bupers.navy.mil/pers211/index.html
:
: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/6711/
:
:
: You do not know what you are talking about, I do, I am a
: "COMMISSIONED" Chief Warrant Officer..
:
:
: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:37:31 -0800, "Young Old Timer"
: wrote:
:
: One comment. A Warrant Officer is not an Officer in the sense of the
: title.
: A Warrant Officer is APPOINTED, not promoted or commissioned.
Therefore,
: the crap about fraternization between officers and enlisted do not
apply
: here.
: Did you know that there are a lot of enlisted personnel married to
: officers
: on active duty?? Is there a double standard?? You bet your ass there
: is.
: Example: LTC Smith (female) is the head nurse of a large military
: hospital,
: and SP4 Smith is a supply clerk on the same post, not necessarily the
: same
: unit, but it could be. What do you do in a situation such as this??
COL
: Jones is a Physician - Neuro Surgeon that was given a commission
directly
: to
: the rank of Colonel due to his skills and shortage of it in the
military.
: His wife is a Master Sergeant that has been on active duty for 18
years.
: Prior to his commission, he worked in a large research hospital near
the
: base where his wife was assigned as NCOIC of Computer Information
: Services.
: All of these are just examples on how the military system has a double
: standard when it comes to this sort of thing. The REAL problem is when
: say
: CPT Casey who is the Commanding Officer of Company A is dating PFC
: Dingleberry who is a radio repair(person). THAT's what the military has
a
: problem with, especially when the officer has direct supervision or
: influence over the enlisted person's career and advancement. This can
: also
: work in reverse where CPT Casey gets ****ed and finds a way to give
: Dingleberry an Article 15 for some bull**** offense.
:
: THEREFORE, yes, there is a double standard. I've seen it played all
: sorts
: of ways and have never personally seen anyone disciplined for it. But
it
: has happened and very publicly at that.
:
: As for the situation you post about, yes, the Command should have put a
: stop
: to it immediately by transferring one of them out of the Command.
: Instead,
: they let it continue because the spouses were not there, and therefore
a
: serious incident wasn't likely to happen.
:
: This goes on daily in the Armed Forces, and as long as men and women
are
: deployed together, especially to isolated areas, **** will continue to
: happen, and so will babies.
:
: "Nick Jade" NickJade(at)hotmail(dot)com wrote in message
: ...
: Let's get this out fix this problem so hopefully it won't happen when
: our
: soldiers return from Iraq.
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
: December 31, 2002
:
:
:
:
:
: "The hard right over the easy wrong", "What goes TDY,
stays
: TDY"
: , "Screw-up and move up", we have all heard these sayings before but
: just
: how true are they? Well I'd like to tell you a story and let you
: decide.
:
:
:
: A few years ago a women deployed to Bosnia with the 3rd
: Armored
: Cavalry Regiment in support of SFOR7. She was a SPC, an avionics
tech,
: married and the mother of three children. While in Bosnia she met a
: man.
: He was a CW3, OH-58 pilot, also married with children. They would
both
: call
: back every few days to their spouses and say that all was well. But
it
: wasn
: 't, the SPC and CW3 were having an affair. The affair started not
long
: after they arrived in Bosnia and lasted almost until their
: redeployment, 8
: months later.
:
: They would eat, watch movies, and go on trips together.
: They
: would also meet in his office late at night, after he finished his
: night
: flights. They spent a lot of time together, so much time that rumors
: started. But no one cared to look into the rumors, too much trouble
: maybe?
: When they called their spouses, they would even warn them that rumors
: were
: going about and not to worry, the rumors weren't true.
:
: She was promoted to SGT and even earned her Spurs, while
: having
: an affair with a Chief Warrant Officer. He continued to fly and earn
: his
: flight pay while getting his "Becky fix", a term they used for their
: private
: moments. But, as all things do, the affair was found out.
:
: Not by some one with them in Bosnia, but by her husband.
: The
: rumors where too much and he confronted her. She admitted to her
: husband
: that yes she was sleeping with this pilot, whom he also knew. So the
: affair
: stopped (?) and they returned home to FT. Carson, CO. In time her
: marriage
: ended, but not her career. She applied for and was accepted to the
: Warrant
: Officer Flight program and is now a WO1 attending flight school at
Ft.
: Rucker, AL. The pilot? He is still flying and is now a maintenance
: test
: pilot. She earned her promotion and her Spurs, but did she disserve
: them?
: Screw-up and move up?
:
: The base in Bosnia was small and everyone knew just about
: everyone. So I wonder how their affair was missed. The Army has a
: policy
: about relationships between enlisted and officers. In basically
states
: that
: officers and enlisted personnel will not have improper relationships.
: It
: goes on to define "improper" as anything other then professional. I
: think
: eating alone, going to the movies, and going on MWR trips together
: would
: fall under the improper category. One of the duties of a NCO is to
: know
: your soldiers. It's hard to believe that her Squad Leader, Platoon
: Sergeant, and First Sergeant did not notice that something might be
: going
: on
: between her and this CW3. Where they just bad NCO's who didn't care
or
: did
: they see the problem and decide it was just too hard to confront?
The
: easy
: wrong over the hard right? What about his peers and superiors?
Didn't
: they
: notice either? What goes TDY, stays TDY?
:
: What about the command? Well a few months after the 3d
ACR
: returned to Ft. Carson someone spoke up about the affair and an
: investigation was started. The SGT was asked about her relationship
: with
: the CW3 and she said they were just friends and the investigation was
: dropped. A short time later her packet for Warrant Officer was
: approved
: and
: letters of recommendation signed. Maybe the command was just wanted
: her
: to
: quietly disappear. The "Not my problem anymore" syndrome?
:
: A lot of people who were with them in Bosnia knew about
or
: at
: least suspect that they were having an affair. My question is how
come
: no
: one said anything about it? Is the Army fostering a climate were
: actions
: like this are ok? Are the soldiers being taught by example that as
: long
: as
: you don't get caught in the act it's ok? As long as they do their
job,
: no
: one cares what they do in their off time? Are our leaders afraid to
: confront soldiers about their personal life? Do we expect our
soldiers
: to
: follow the Army values or are the Army values just lip service?
:
: I hope that the Army can train its leaders to be more
: perceptive
: and not afraid to approach a problem which may be "touchy" and
: embarrassing.
: To guide and mentor our soldiers to do the right thing and to up hold
: the
: Army values.
:
:
:
:
:
: This story is true. How do I know? Because the SGT in
: this
: story was my wife, Rebecca Beasley (now WO1 Rebecca Clark) and the
CW3
: is
: Edwin Annis. Now you maybe be wondering why I wrote this story.
Maybe
: it's
: because I'm a hurt and angry ex-husband wanting to get back at his
: ex-wife?
: No, it's too late for that. But I am an NCO who has seen a soldier
do
: a
: terrible wrong and get away with it and I also have soldiers who have
: lost
: faith in our system because of this. I also wrote this story because
I
: am
: tired of living this lie. How can I look my soldiers in the eye and
: preach
: to them about doing the hard right over the easy wrong and following
: the
: Army values when I myself can't do it. I should have said something
: along
: time ago. Now I will retire in a few years and when I do it will be
: with
: a
: clear conscious. So I wrote this letter for two reasons: as a NCO to
: officially inform you of an incident which I believe was wrong and as
a
: man
: who must live by his principles.
:
: I also ask that you use this story as a training tool for
: our
: soldiers and leaders. We have all heard stories like this one after
: major
: deployments. I feel something must be done about it. Maybe it's
time
: to
: enforce a distinct separation between Officers, NCOs, and the
soldiers.
: Policies are written which do just that, but are they enforced?
:
: Maybe this story can be re-written so as not to incriminate anyone
and
: shown
: to our soldiers as an example of what can happen when we start
: believing
: in
: terms such as those stated at the beginning of this letter. I have
: been
: in
: for 20 years now and am tired of hearing "What goes TDY, stays TDY".
I
: hope
: this letter helps to show others that that saying is wrong.
:
:
:
: Thank you
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
: I speak from the Army side, not the Navy side of things. Army Warrant
Offic
: ers ARE NOT Commissioned unless they changed things since I retired.

Changed long ago.

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