You never heard anything like this in the Air Force?

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you always carry the
ultimate responsibility for all that your unit does or leaves undone."

Absolutely. The Wing Commander is ultimately responsible for the *general*
conduct of every squadron in the wing...however he is not personally
responsible for for the actions of every individual in the wing...which is
exactly what you are arguing.

You apparently support the president. That is coloring your judgment.

Unlike you, my preference for who sits in the White House has nothing to do
with my views on this issue. You are arguing the President is responsible for
the individual actions of over 1 million U.S. service members serving on all 7
continents, this is ridiculous.

In any case, the Bush administration screwed up enough --big ticket-- items
that were, or should have been, directly under the president's eye to warrant
his ass being kicked all the way back to Crawford.

What was that about bias?

Not involving the UN in the war. Basically, as events have shown, without UN
involvement (i.e. more troops), we can't subdue the country.


You're a genius. You do realize you can't draft the U.N. right? That they have
to be willing? Guess what, they were *never* going to be willing. Because of
several issues, including the systematic pillaging of the oil for food program,
many UN member nations were never going to vote in favor of going to war and
removing Hussain.

Misreading (unless he just lied) the intelligence on Iraqi
complicity/duplicity
in Al Quaida's attacks on the US.


Are you suggesting a President should discount what he's being told by
intelligence officials?

Ditto on weapons of mass destruction supposedly held by Saddam.

When the head of the CIA says its a "slam dunk" case, who should argue with
him?

Dismissing the Iraqi army. We could have paid them $200,000,000 for three
months (vice 5,000,000,000,000 a month that we are spending now) and not had
hundreds of thousands of military trained men hanging around unemployed.

Hind sight is a beautiful thing huh?

Dismissing Ba'ath party officials. It's now suggested that at least some
Ba'athists be brought back.

See above..

Ignoring the estimate of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs in Feb, 2003. Gen.
Shinseki said "several hundred thousand" US troops would be needed. The
Bushies just ignored that -- it didn't fit the plan.

Yeah, the Bush administration was the first ever adminstration to ignore advice
from the military. This was a mistake, but hardly unique. Clinton ignored the
advice of the military in Somalia in 1993 and got dozens of Americans killed in
the process. I'm willing to bet you were silent on that one.

Focusing on Iraq when Al Quaida is in Afghanistan.

The number of A-Q in Afghanistan is very small, and even if you include
Pakistan, the numbers are much smaller than their existance in other countries.
The focus on A-Q must be global, not just in one country. This is what
President Bush is doing.

Afghan countryside is now
run by the warlords.

The problem is not nearly as bad as you would expect and this was always going
to be a problem. Blaming Bush for warlords controlling the "country side" is
like blaming the allies for flood of Jewish refugees after they opened the
concentration camps ater WWII. If you wanted the Taliban Govt. removed, A-Q
kicked out and the warlords subdued, you would have needed 2 million men and
the atmosphere in Afghanistan would make Iraq look like Disney World.

Bush has screwed up on -every- important decision point.

In your not so humble, biased opinion.

He's in charge and he's responsible

The first correct line you've typed in a week.

and if the "American People" are worthy of that name, his
sorry ass is done.

And if he's not will you please leave?

And, yes. He still is ultimately responsible for the mistreatment of those
Iraqi POWs.

No matter how you stretch command responsibility, no matter how bad you twist
it, Bush is not responsible for the mistreatment of the PWs.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"