BUFDRVR:


I'm willing to bet they didn't teach you in the Marine Corps; "and don't
screw
this up or there will be hell to pay from the Prseident since he's
ultimately
responsible".

Isn't that sort of silly?

I'm glad you've finally realized what you arguing for is silly.


Your comment was silly. It remans silly.

In the Air Force they teach you that you are responsible for the direction
and
supervision of those below your chain of command. However, that does not
mean
you are accountable for their off-duty behavior since we are all expected
to
be
professionals.

Military personnel are never off duty when it comes to behavior prejudicial to
good order and discipline. Funny UCMJ you have in the Air Force.



Well, that is not what they teach in the Marine Corps.

Interesting, but I know quite a few Marines and every now and again their
young
bucks get into trouble (as most of us at 18 years old did) and the
disciplinary
action is focused directly on the 18-year old and not the NCO or officer
above
them.

Funny, I remember a very unhappy second lieutenant, one of whose sentries
decided to fire all his shot gun rounds into the New River one dark night. You
don't think that incident wasn't reflected in his FITREP? I bet it was.


In fact, usually the person handing out the punishment is the officer
charged with their supervision.

Not many second or first lieuitenants have Article 15 power, and of course
cannot direct that any sort of court martial be convened.

You were in the military, is that right? You're claiming to have been in the
military?


According to you, there would be hell to pay
for the NCO and every officer up to the 4-star general level (and beyond..)

I never said anything even remotely like that.


for
the actions of an 18-year old Marine. I find it hard to believe the USMC
*ever*
worked that way.

Well, there's a saying: "To err is human, to forgive divine. Neither is
Marine Corps policy."



Although you can delegate authority to your subordinates, you always carry
the
ultimate responsibility for all that your unit does or leaves undone."


I've never argued anything different.

You did in this very note to which I respond.

Above:

In the Air Force they teach you that you are responsible for the direction
and
supervision of those below your chain of command. However, that does not
mean
you are accountable for their off-duty behavior since we are all expected
to
be
professionals.

Well, that's enough.

I don't even think you were in the military.

Walt